Will Batey Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Vote away folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamvidger Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 There is no need to place Bond in space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Die Another Day, in a walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom BITD Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I hated Die Another Day so much I actually apologize to A View To A Kill in the upcoming episode 71 of BITD. An intensely stupid film that manages to be smug about its stupidity...and its overreliance on CGI. And I'm not even going to start on the horror that is Halle Berry, except to say that given what the film sets up in the first half, there is no way she wins the fight with one of the film's main villains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DCAUFan1051 Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 it's kinda sad that Die Another Day is a anniversary film... what was it 20 years of Bond films in 2002? But Moonraker's godawfulness beats it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom BITD Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 it's kinda sad that Die Another Day is a anniversary film... what was it 20 years of Bond films in 2002? But Moonraker's godawfulness beats it lol Moonraker had a decent Shirley Bassey song and a magnificent Ken Adams set or two....Die Another Day had a Madonna track that I swear was an already extant song she considered an outtake that she adapted to this abomination and a crappy-ass CGI airplane as the villian's base....plus, you know, Halle Berry. (Lois Chile's Holly Goodhead could beat the living bejeezus out of Halle Berry's Jinx, incidentally) So I'm sorry, but....Die Another Day sucks the cocks of more nations than Moonraker. Oh...and A View To A Kill is worse than Moonraker as well. It's thoroughly awful, but it doesn't descend to the depth those two films do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 it's kinda sad that Die Another Day is a anniversary film... what was it 20 years of Bond films in 2002? The Bond films didn't begin in 1982, Mike. Die Another Day celebrated (a phrase I use loosely) the 40th anniversary of the Bond movie franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DCAUFan1051 Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 it's kinda sad that Die Another Day is a anniversary film... what was it 20 years of Bond films in 2002? The Bond films didn't begin in 1982, Mike. Die Another Day celebrated (a phrase I use loosely) the 40th anniversary of the Bond movie franchise. in my defense... I was heading to bed when I wrote that... and we all know math is evil! I had 1962 in mind, but it just wasn't computing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DCAUFan1051 Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Plus I think the reason I overlook how truly bad Die Another Day is is because it's the final Brosnan Bond film. I truly almost abandoned the Bond Franchise when I heard they'd be replacing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I hated Die Another Day so much I actually apologize to A View To A Kill in the upcoming episode 71 of BITD. An intensely stupid film that manages to be smug about its stupidity...and its overreliance on CGI. Huzzah! No longer do Adham & I walk in fear of the "AVTAK Apologists" cloud raining down over our heads! The Man With The Golden Gun is very disappointing but not all out bad. Moonraker, well, the opinion of FYEO is widely known about Moonraker. Tom's right about the theme (although that rarely influences my scoring of a Bond film) and I did like the odd thing here and there, but still, worst Bond film thus far. Diamonds Are Forever again isn't terrible, the plot's just very convoluted and Connery looks bored throughout. Given what they were paying him at the time (and how they scrimped on the special effects as a result, which look awful), it was a poor show. I watched Die Another Day again last night to prepare for the next FYEO recording. I won't give anything away just yet though... A View To A Kill is a jarring film for a number of reasons but I don't see how it was the worst. It doesn't help that Roger Moore looks like he's a paid-up member of Age Concern though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom BITD Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Moonraker, well, the opinion of FYEO is widely known about Moonraker. Tom's right about the theme (although that rarely influences my scoring of a Bond film) and I did like the odd thing here and there, but still, worst Bond film thus far. When you are on top of a island of guano, you value the very few nuggets of coal amongst them.... A View To A Kill is a jarring film for a number of reasons but I don't see how it was the worst. It doesn't help that Roger Moore looks like he's a paid-up member of Age Concern though. ....and this is why, even after my apology, you shall always be an AVTAK Surrender Monkey. After all, it may not be Die Another Day (and I find that it was supposed to be the '40th Anniversary Celebration' part of the massive insult that is that film--what, all you can offer is a massive game of Husker-Du after all that?), but the combination of one of the worst collection of villains, a director that is keen on indulging Moore's every impulse, a deadly dull plot, and, yes, the great-grandfatherly Moore still makes it a near-apocalyptic piece of crap. ....surrender monkey.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 A VIEW TO A KILL is the worst James Bond movie ever. Any body who says different I am ready and willing to have a rusty knife fight at high noon in the middle of main street with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 A VIEW TO A KILL is the worst James Bond movie ever. Any body who says different I am ready and willing to have a rusty knife fight at high noon in the middle of main street with them. Good thing I live overseas!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James D. Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Though I haven't watched it in ages... I remember liking Moonraker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom BITD Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Though I haven't watched it in ages... I remember liking Moonraker... You're allowed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Out of all the ones on the list that I have seen I have to say View to a Kill. I didn't hate it, but I agree with the FYEO score with a 5/10. It was also around the time where Roger Moore was older than... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnino14 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 A View to A Kill is easily the worst fucking Bond movie ever. EASILY. It's fucking boring, the villains are terrible, GRANDFATHER MOORE, the annoying ass chick SCREAMING throughout the entire movie, it's really all bad. And NO Walken didn't do a good enough job to save this movie. It's just terrible through and through, there's absolutely NOTHING good about this film. Moonraker, while I admit the space sequences and Jaws turn is terrible, I really liked the first 30 minutes of this movie. There's an absolutely intense sequence in the G-force emulation system, and there's the fun opening sequence. I'm not going to argue with anybody who hates this movie, especially since it straight up RE-USED the plot from the last movie, but I will point out that there bits and pieces that make it not the WORST film. Die Another Day, while having a TERRIBLE and ABYSMAL second half, the first half is actually not bad. The second half had the stupid gadgets, the really crappy CGI, and a lot more Halle Berry and it's just terrible, but the first half was actually quite good, with a thrilling opening sequence, Bond actually getting his ass kicked showing vulnerability, and then some actual spy work. I think there's actually a point where it fades to Black after Bond fails a mission and I think that's the point where it just turns crappy. I can't defend anything that happened in the second half, but I will defend the first half. Also, I had a really intense hatred from Timothy Dalton's films the first time I saw them as a teen. Mind you, it's been AGES since I've seen any of the Bond films, but this is my memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Die Another Day, while having a TERRIBLE and ABYSMAL second half, the first half is actually not bad. The second half had the stupid gadgets, the really crappy CGI, and a lot more Halle Berry and it's just terrible, but the first half was actually quite good, with a thrilling opening sequence, Bond actually getting his ass kicked showing vulnerability. Vulnerability is one thing, fourteen fucking months in a North Korean prison is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Moonraker, while I admit the space sequences and Jaws turn is terrible, I really liked the first 30 minutes of this movie. There's an absolutely intense sequence in the G-force emulation system, and there's the fun opening sequence. I'm not going to argue with anybody who hates this movie, especially since it straight up RE-USED the plot from the last movie, but I will point out that there bits and pieces that make it not the WORST film. Whilst I would say you're entitled to your opinion, I'll allow you what you said about AVTAK if you allow me to say that the first 30 minutes of Moonraker is utter bullshit. The opening sequence is terrible (Jaws flapping his arms like wings before falling onto a circus is all I really need to say), Bond is unlikeable throughout so there's little reason to warm to him at all and there's a fucking laser battle in space. Dr Goodhead shows herself to be a fair fighter but Lois Chiles can't act to save her life, and Jaws dances with his intended victim rather than outright murder her. Fuck Moonraker - at least named characters die in AVTAK. Die Another Day, while having a TERRIBLE and ABYSMAL second half, the first half is actually not bad. The second half had the stupid gadgets, the really crappy CGI, and a lot more Halle Berry and it's just terrible, but the first half was actually quite good, with a thrilling opening sequence, Bond actually getting his ass kicked showing vulnerability, and then some actual spy work. I think there's actually a point where it fades to Black after Bond fails a mission and I think that's the point where it just turns crappy. I can't defend anything that happened in the second half, but I will defend the first half. I actually agree with the gist of this. The set-up of Die Another Day is definitely interesting, it's just wasted in the most grandiose way possible. Also, I had a really intense hatred from Timothy Dalton's films the first time I saw them as a teen. Mind you, it's been AGES since I've seen any of the Bond films, but this is my memory. I won't hold this against you, but please revisit Dalton's films at some point. A) There's only 2 of them, and B) Dalton does an excellent job in grounding the character, bringing it back from the worst of the Moore excesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadzilla Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I went with Diamonds Are Forever, although The Man With the Golden Gun is neck and neck with it. Could not vote for either Moonraker or A View to a Kill, as they are my two favorite "guilty pleasure" Bond films. Nice irony, I am actually watching Moonraker as I type this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Batey Posted November 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I hated Die Another Day so much I actually apologize to A View To A Kill in the upcoming episode 71 of BITD. An intensely stupid film that manages to be smug about its stupidity...and its overreliance on CGI. Huzzah! No longer do Adham & I walk in fear of the "AVTAK Apologists" cloud raining down over our heads! The Man With The Golden Gun is very disappointing but not all out bad. Moonraker, well, the opinion of FYEO is widely known about Moonraker. Tom's right about the theme (although that rarely influences my scoring of a Bond film) and I did like the odd thing here and there, but still, worst Bond film thus far. Diamonds Are Forever again isn't terrible, the plot's just very convoluted and Connery looks bored throughout. Given what they were paying him at the time (and how they scrimped on the special effects as a result, which look awful), it was a poor show. I watched Die Another Day again last night to prepare for the next FYEO recording. I won't give anything away just yet though... A View To A Kill is a jarring film for a number of reasons but I don't see how it was the worst. It doesn't help that Roger Moore looks like he's a paid-up member of Age Concern though. Yeah some of these are ok in parts and i'd put AVTAK in my top 15. The reason i chose these 5 films for individual selection is because all the rest are above average despite Adham giving TMWTGG an 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnino14 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Whilst I would say you're entitled to your opinion, I'll allow you what you said about AVTAK if you allow me to say that the first 30 minutes of Moonraker is utter bullshit. The opening sequence is terrible (Jaws flapping his arms like wings before falling onto a circus is all I really need to say), Bond is unlikeable throughout so there's little reason to warm to him at all and there's a fucking laser battle in space. Dr Goodhead shows herself to be a fair fighter but Lois Chiles can't act to save her life, and Jaws dances with his intended victim rather than outright murder her. Fuck Moonraker - at least named characters die in AVTAK. Like I said, it's been ages since I've seen any of the bad films in the series (I generally only watch Goldfinger, Casino Royale, and From Russia With Love nowadays), so maybe it's been glossed a bit but I noticed you didn't say anything about the G-force simulator sequence, and maybe it's that 5 minute sequence that stands out so much that lets me gloss over. I remember that sequence being a bright spot in a very bad film for sure. I actually agree with the gist of this. The set-up of Die Another Day is definitely interesting, it's just wasted in the most grandiose way possible. Yes, at least you get the idea of what I was getting at. Completely agree, it was wasted in tremendous fashion. Vulnerability is one thing, fourteen fucking months in a North Korean prison is another. Well, when you take into account that Bond has almost never been beat, really, beat, yes he's been roughed up, but it was still just a roughing, part of the job. It really changed the game, made it seem this Bond movie is going to be different, if they had just followed that theme, of Bond being broken, completely, and is trying to piece together his life back. It would have been great. Instead it just devolved. Like I said, after that fade to black, it's like a completely different movie, and that's where all the shit is. Also when you've been avoiding getting your ass kicked for 20 movies, it's got to come back and bite you in the ass somehow. And didn't Jack Bauer spend 20 months in a Chinese prison and he was able to shoot his friend the same day he got out. I won't hold this against you, but please revisit Dalton's films at some point. A) There's only 2 of them, and B) Dalton does an excellent job in grounding the character, bringing it back from the worst of the Moore excesses. Like I said, it was when I first watched the films 9-10 years ago. I haven't watched them since, although I watched License to Kill multiple times, and I absolutely hated it. I even wrote a review at 15 about how much the movie sucked. I might be warmer towards them now. But man, after Roger Moore, I felt Dalton was a black hole of charisma. I was actually following the webshow, I would watch the film and then listen to your show later that week, but I stopped after From Russia With Love a couple summers ago. Although I can't believe you guys gave For Your Eyes Only a 5/10. That's not cool, it's easily one of the better plots in the film series and seriously one of my favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 If that last comment is directed at myself and Adham, then you're mistaken. Both of us scored the film 7.5/10. I'm guessing the confusion came from Donomark's comment, as 5/10 was granted to AVTAK and our podcast shares the FYEO acronym. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mockery Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 On Her majesty's Secret Service for me I'm afraid. I think Lazonby is an appalling Bond matched against Telly Servallas as an appalling Bloefeld. I think they only cast Sevrallas because he was bald so that would save a bit on the make up budget. Bloefeld's scheme is the most ridiculously convoluted, implausible and lame of the series and Diana Rigg is pretty much wasted as the insipid Tracy. Monumental Bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I'm fairly sure that there are worse instalments during Moore's era (probably Moonraker) but the only one that is truly needlessly shit is Die Another Day. It had the budget, a decent run of films leading up to it, a good Bond and what sounded like a nice concept (Bond captured by North Korea etc). It could have been a harder more heavyweight bond, closer to what we have now. Instead its all frickin space lasers, ice palaces and so on. Plus Halle Berry is ALWAYS SHIT. She brought down X-men and she brought down this. If there was one Bond film which I could throw into a rocket and shoot into the sun it would be this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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