RSS Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 The Empire Strikes Back. In 1980, those four simple, yet ominous words changed everything you thought you knew about cinema! [ 2:47:53 || 81.0 MB ] To listen, click here: http://www.earth-2.net/theshow/episodes/e2ts_550.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 What happened to the Christmas special?? Anyway, I know it's not the ideal way to watch it but the entire unedited Star Wars (1977) is on youtube in parts. Also there are seven versions of Blade Runner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 According to the timeline they give in the front of the EU books Empire is 3 years after Star Wars in story. Jedi is 1 year after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 No mention that Luke is leading Rogue Squadron during the battle makes me frown The Wampa stuff was filmed but cut because the man in suit looked stupid. Part of it can be seen in the trailer. Threepio ripping the sign off the door of the room with the Wampa's trapped and a couple of Stormtroopers go to search the room and that goes badly for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 We do mention that Luke is a Commander and that he's leading the battle. Maybe not at the point where you are in episode, but it comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I always took Luke crashing the X-Wing to be Yoda fucking with him to see how he'd react when the ship stopped working when he was trying to land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Re: Blade Runner. The studio took it away from him and made drastic changes to it, such as the narration by Harrison Ford that sounds like he has a gun to his head and the happy ending. As far as I can tell, the original Star Wars films were Lucas' vision, albeit with special effects that weren't as far along as he wanted. There are five versions of Blade Runner on DVD/Blu-ray: the workprint, the theatrical cut, the director's cut, the international cut, and the final cut. The 30th Anniversary Blu-ray is up for pre-order on Amazon for $23.99. The Hitchcock Masterpiece Collection Blu-ray is not being released by Criterion, but Criterion did recently release a Blu-ray of The 39 Steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDK_theBatmaN Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I'm with Mike on Darth Vader's reveal to Luke. It was always just a fact of life. Wish I could have had that experience of just total surprise and suspense. Anyone else seen this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 When I saw it at age 6 in 1996, I had absolutely no idea about the father thing. None. And it was amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 The best Boba Fett scenes are in Robot Chicken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Almost halfway through it. I'm not a Star Wars afficionado, so I'm wondering after you guys mention it why Empire Strieks Back had "EPISODE V" on the opening crawl. At what point was the continuity established in that context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 During a re-release of Star Wars, shortly before Empire. The saga had been roughly outlined before the release of Star Wars, but Fox wasn't about to let Lucas confuse audiences by putting "Episode IV" in the opening sequence when there wasn't any assurance of sequels or prequels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDK_theBatmaN Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 When I saw it at age 6 in 1996, I had absolutely no idea about the father thing. None. And it was amazing. ... I envy you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 During a re-release of Star Wars, shortly before Empire. The saga had been roughly outlined before the release of Star Wars, but Fox wasn't about to let Lucas confuse audiences by putting "Episode IV" in the opening sequence when there wasn't any assurance of sequels or prequels. That's actually not entirely accurate. I'm reading a book right now called The Secret History of Star Wars which uses every interview, every published piece of work, every draft of every script, and all kinds of studio documents, and is essentially calling Lucas on a lot of his self-mythlogizing bullshit. The title fo the first movie (which is on the shooting script and known to most Star Wars fans of a certain age) was The Adventures of Luke Skywalker: Saga I: Star Wars. This actually ties into both the novelization of the first movie and the first novel, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, both of which (in their original printings, which I have and can thus attast to this) are subtitled "From The Adventures of Luke Skywalker". That, of course, is a lot of title, so Star Wars was all that wound up on screen. When Star Wars became an enormous hit, Lucas knew he would be able to make at least two more movies. He then sketched out a rough outline of the next two. He did not hit on the idea of Vader being Luke's father until the third or so draft of TESB. (In fact, the Force ghost of Luke's father, as a totally separate character, appears in the draft scripts prior to this.) At that point it looks like he had his idea to make TESB Episode V, and then on the 1981 re-release of Star Wars, he added the Episode IV after the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 That book is actually slightly inaccurate itself. It's very heavy-handed on the "Lucas is a lying douchebag" hammer. The shooting script for A New Hope was designed mostly to be a one-movie deal, yes, because at the time Lucas put aside his designs for the larger saga. There are notes dating back years before the filming of A New Hope (therefore not in official shooting scripts or anything of the like) that detail the ever-evolving character that was Anakin Skywalker, along with ideas for the Skywalker twins. They were never entirely outlined in detail, and when A New Hope was filmed, the overall continuity was pretty much ignored and/or reworked to be a fluid thing, especially because it wasn't sure that sequels would be made. In any case, however, Mark Hamill has said repeatedly that he was told by Lucas on the set of A New Hope that the original plan was for A New Hope to be the first in a trilogy, and that trilogy would be the middle three films in a nine-film saga (sometimes its been said to have been twelve at one point). As for the shooting scripts of Empire, yeah, there's a bunch of variations partially because it wasn't all set in stone and partially because the secret of Anakin=Vader was purposely being altered in prior scripts. Even during shooting, David Prowse actually said "Obi-Wan killed your father" on-set because no one outside of producers, Kershner, and James Earl Jones were supposed to know the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Having read the drafts many times, and having actually been alive when these things took place and interviews given, I can assure you that Lucas plain did not have a plan in place when he says he did. I'm not getting on him for it, but the fact of the matter is that he did not have the trilogy in his head the entire time from the beginning. Hell, I can distinctly recall his original announcement that the series was going to be a twelve part serial, just like from the 1930s serials he was homaging. Then it became nine parts. Then six. Then just those three. Finally it went back to six. Read "The Star Wars" draft from 1973. It bears virtually no resemblance to what eventually went onscreen. I am not knocking Lucas - every film changes drastically from inception to release. But the notion that there was a masterplan in place from day one is just not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Splinter of the Mind's Eye I've always thought that was one of the coolest titles ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc20willsave Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 "Your father was a great pilot when I met him" and the idea of Yoda training Obi-Wan alone are testaments to the fact that Lucas isn't some great planner. As for the previous drafts, I own an authorized book from the time of the special editions that does an in depth look at each draft after each scene section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 If Lucas had Vader/Luke/Leia that planned out, the man is entirely too comfortable with brother/sister incest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Lemme rephrase what I said before: Lucas didn't have an outline in the sense of an actual story plotted out. He had, basically, a jumble of ideas, none of which were in their proper place. The Skywalker/Starkiller family existed in about fifteen thousand different forms before the version that was done in the films, and it wasn't even solidly decided upon until Return of the Jedi. It was basically "there's a father and two kids, a boy and a girl." All three of them were the main character at some point up until the production of A New Hope. However, the idea of A New Hope being the chronological fourth in a series of films (which was going to be somewhere between 6 and 12 in total) was something that was definitely decided upon before the release of ANH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 The fact that it had "Part One" on the title page of the shooting script indictates that may not be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Oh, the shooting script for ANH basically ignored anything other than Luke's story. It's been my theory for a while that Leia and Vader might not have been related to Luke according to the version of the film that was shot. Lucas had told people during the filming of ANH that he wanted to do a lot more, but all the writing on the wall said that Star Wars would hit theaters and become a cult hit at best, so Lucas figured "eh, I can at least do this and then maybe some more TV movies with Luke," hence Splinter of the Mind's Eye. It wasn't til it became a huge success and Fox went, "okay, yes, please do a dozen more of those" that Lucas decided to officially go forward with the idea of the grander saga outside of Luke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 I think we've reached the point where we can agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Cool deal. High-five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Great episode as usual guys! My problem with Star Wars is that I can't watch it without the parodies and jokes from Clerks or whatever running through my head the entire time so I'm quite impressed that you manage to suppress that stuff in your conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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