Donomark Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I can understand his feelings since it's a change to a character that he's played for half a century. Good change or bad change, that's always going to be different, and there's no one way to react to things like this in the ever-changing current times. Because it's not the same universe, it's far easier to see this as a positive change. Ultimately I think it's great, but I can understand his feelings.I think saying "Gene envisioned this character as straight" is a specious argument though, since the original series is oppressively heteronormative. I doubt seriously there was any special consideration to making the characters straight, it was just another ingredient to Rodenberry's horrific gender politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFetch Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Fans of the original think it ruins their version. I have heard nothing but rejoicing from fans. I was talking about reboots in general. George thinks they are going against Gene's wishes, when it doesn't matter because Gene has been out of the picture for a long time. As long as the overall theme is the same, little things don't matter. It was a tribute to him and what he has done for LGBT relations, and he can't even take a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenalphabro Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Personally, I'm glad to see it. As one of the queer members of these boards, I'm always glad to see some good representation in popular media. And honestly, while I can see where George is coming from, I'm also of the opinion that he's not making himself look very good at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-T Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Making Sulu a homosexual reminds me of the 2005 Dukes of Hazzard movie making Uncle Jesse a stoner because he was played by Willie Nelson. This is an even looser connection than that, because it's a nod to an actor who hasn't played the part for 30 years.Let fantasy be fantasy and reality be reality. This is either pandering or agenda-pushing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc20willsave Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Gene Roddenberry's original series was a vision of a utopian communist society. I doubt Sulu being gay is all that much of a big deal in universe. Edited July 10, 2016 by dc20willsave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Also calling it "agenda pushing" is pretty sour man. At worst it's a bit of unnessary retconing for a good cause. But honestly, were people this upset when they changed Sulu's race? Seems like a lot of hallaballo over nothing much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Let fantasy be fantasy and reality be reality. This is either pandering or agenda-pushing.You make it sound so sinister, as though this is an agenda that will hurt the franchise or fandom as byproduct. And "pandering"? To whom, audiences who are never as "pandered" to as others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFetch Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Was Sulu ever shown as straight on the original show or movies? I can't recall them ever even addressing his private life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Know Who Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Was Sulu ever shown as straight on the original show or movies? I can't recall them ever even addressing his private life. His daughter is introduced in the 7th movie, but we hear nothing about her mother or a wife or female lover for Sulu.Don't think he has any female love interests in TOS, but I haven't seen the third season. Evil Sulu was salivating over Uhura, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 LOL yeah, I love that scene partly because evil Sulu is hilarious and Uhura was a stone cold badass in that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Know Who Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) It was okay. Loses its way a bit in the second act, but the first and third are pretty solid. Initially thought that Krall was a crap villain and a huge waste of Idris Elba, but once the twist about him arrived, his actions and motivations made much more sense. Jaylah was a nice addition too. Edited July 25, 2016 by You Know Who Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Yeah the twist with Krall really made me sit up and get super engaged. I liked it. It wasn't as fun as the last two movies, but this felt definitively like an episode from the old series and the cast was terrific. Perfectly enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc20willsave Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) Wrong thread, Edited August 11, 2016 by dc20willsave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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