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First off, I have to credit this thread to Ace Rockola from the Oratory, since he's the one who posted it there.

Okay, so here's the story: Lucas is making some adjustments to the OT DVDs, and, frankly, I'm pissed. I mean, look at this!!!

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And then this from Ricky Paradise:

I've already heard about it from a friend of mine that worked in the special effects department of the new films.  It'll be a scene. after the Emperor dies, that'll show the Gungans celebrating his death w/an aged Jar Jar as their leader.

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First off, I have to credit this thread to Ace Rockola from the Oratory, since he's the one who posted it there.

Okay, so here's the story: Lucas is making some adjustments to the OT DVDs, and, frankly, I'm pissed. I mean, look at this!!!

WTF.gif

And then this from Ricky Paradise:

I've already heard about it from a friend of mine that worked in the special effects department of the new films.  It'll be a scene. after the Emperor dies, that'll show the Gungans celebrating his death w/an aged Jar Jar as their leader.

Where's Qui Gon? If anyone goes there...you don't put someone who IS STILL ALIVE YOU DUMB DUmB FAT FUCKER.

I fucking hate Lucas. He should just quit, and let the people who wrote KOTOR write Ep 3.

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Where's Qui Gon? If anyone goes there...you don't put someone who IS STILL ALIVE YOU DUMB DUmB FAT FUCKER.

??

This is the scene from the end of Jedi, they're superimposing Hayden Christenson's head into the final scene, where Vader joins Obi Wan and Yoda as a spiritual being.

It's ghey as all hell, yeah, but I'll believe it when I see it on my DVD player. These rumors have been out there for ages.

drq

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Even if this whole fiasco hadn't occured, George Lucas would still be a mindless peon. He isn't writing these films--his teenage daughter is. I mean, the whole N'Sync thing??? COME THE FUCK ON. How out of touch with reality can you be?

By the way, are the plans for Episodes 7, 8 and 9 officially trashed? A while back I heard they were going to do 3 sequels after Episode 3, but I don't see it happening.

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Putting Qui-Gon in the end scene would make NO sense...Luke looks up and sees the three Jedi who instructed HIM...Qui-Gon died 15-25 years before Luke's birth.

I'm okay with the changes...the whole backlash seems very storm in a teacup to me.

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By the way, are the plans for Episodes 7, 8 and 9 officially trashed? A while back I heard they were going to do 3 sequels after Episode 3, but I don't see it happening.

About ten years ago Lucas said he would do VII-IX, but when he started to work on I-III he said the last three movies will never be made because he wanted to spend time with family... or something like that. In my opinion, he should let Frank Oz remake the OT (so it looks like the prequels) while Lucas makes the final trilogy.

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I fucking hate Lucas. He should just quit, and let the people who wrote  KOTOR write Ep 3.

Now that would make the movie fucking awesome if it were to happen! :OMG:

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Where's Qui Gon? If anyone goes there...you don't put someone who IS STILL ALIVE YOU DUMB DUmB FAT FUCKER.

??

This is the scene from the end of Jedi, they're superimposing Hayden Christenson's head into the final scene, where Vader joins Obi Wan and Yoda as a spiritual being.

Ah..clears it up..but it's still pure shit. I thought this was where Yoda was talking to Obi Wan about "There is another".

Putting Qui-Gon in the end scene would make NO sense...Luke looks up and sees the three Jedi who instructed HIM...Qui-Gon died 15-25 years before Luke's birth.

Did Luke even meet Anakin Skywalker?

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I think I see what you're getting at, and it's fair enough. But I think Anakin's there to represent Luke's triumph. After all, Luke broke though and reached his father, and Vader redeemed himself as a result.

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Did Luke even meet Anakin Skywalker?

The only time Luke met his father was as Vader, and if Lucas changes that... well... then he's fucked everything up. Because Vader had no idea he had a son, let alone a daughter too.

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I think I see what you're getting at, and it's fair enough. But I think Anakin's there to represent Luke's triumph. After all, Luke broke though and reached his father, and Vader redeemed himself as a result.

Then why not throw in Qui-Gon, too?

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I think I see what you're getting at, and it's fair enough.  But I think Anakin's there to represent Luke's triumph.  After all, Luke broke though and reached his father, and Vader redeemed himself as a result.

Then why not throw in Qui-Gon, too?

Because Luke met Anakin when he pulled the mask off, but he never met Qui-Gon. Ever. These are the three Jedi who meant the most to Luke: his father, his mentor, and his master/trainer.

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I think I see what you're getting at, and it's fair enough.  But I think Anakin's there to represent Luke's triumph.  After all, Luke broke though and reached his father, and Vader redeemed himself as a result.

Then why not throw in Qui-Gon, too?

Because Luke met Anakin when he pulled the mask off, but he never met Qui-Gon. Ever. These are the three Jedi who meant the most to Luke: his father, his mentor, and his master/trainer.

Exactly

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Bah, either way you slice it, changing it sucks.

I'm not against the changes IF Lucas were going to offer the original versions on DVD eventually, but, according to him, those films don't exist any more. So yeah, it's bullshit.

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Seriously, if he wants to make money, make it 2 discs for each movie, have one unaltered version, one altered version for each disc, throw in a DVD of bonus content, and Bam! Another billion dollars.

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Bah, either way you slice it, changing it sucks.

I'm not against the changes IF Lucas were going to offer the original versions on DVD eventually, but, according to him, those films don't exist any more.

Lucas deserves a "please die" smile right about now, but since that isn't an option I guess this'll have to do.....

:punch: Take THAT!

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I can't wait to get the DVDs in a couple weeks. Granted, they fucked a lot up, and there should be an old school option, but it's still the OT on DVD.

And for the record, I don't mind MINOR changes to the film. Fixing Luke's speeder in ANH and making the lightsabers look better. Just the huge changes that piss me off. Hayden in Jedi and Jango Fett's voice replacing Boba Fett (I know, clone, I just don't remember either of their real names) are the things that piss me off.

At least they didn't go further and do the rumored scenes of Jar Jar in Jedi and that flashback scene Natlie Portman was rumored to have shot with a baby Leia.

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Seriously, if he wants to make money, make it 2 discs for each movie, have one unaltered version, one altered version for each disc, throw in a DVD of bonus content, and Bam! Another billion dollars.

That would be most excellent. Like in the Alien Quadrilogy. There's the original, unaltered release along with the "Director's Cut". Lucas would be wise to do this.

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At least they didn't go further and do the rumored scenes of Jar Jar in Jedi and that flashback scene Natlie Portman was rumored to have shot with a baby Leia.

I agree, putting Hayden Christiansen in Jedi is a horrid decision. The less we see of Jar Jar, the better. But I wouldn't mind adding a flashback scene with Amidala & Leia.

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'Star Wars' Trilogy Debuts on DVD

By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Movie Writer

SAN RAFAEL, Calif. - George Lucas never figured on a 30-year career as a space pilot. Once "Star Wars" shot into hyperspace, though, he found it hard to come back down to Earth.

Making its DVD debut Tuesday, Lucas' original sci-fi trilogy — "Star Wars," "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" — began as an experimental foray into old-time studio moviemaking for Lucas, whose first two films had been far removed from usual Hollywood sensibilities.

Lucas' sci-fi satire "THX 1138" had been a commercial dud, but the energetic "American Graffiti" with its driving soundtrack and multi-character point of view scored with audiences, giving the director clout to try something bigger that had been on his mind.

"I'd already started this other idea, which was to do a kind of a classic action adventure film using sets," Lucas said over lunch at his 2,600-acre Skywalker Ranch. "I'd never worked on a set, I'd never worked at a studio. Never made a traditional movie. So I said, `I'm going to do this once, just to see what it's like, what it's like to actually design everything, work on a soundstage, do an old-fashioned 1930s movie.

"And I'll do it in that mode from the 1930s Saturday matinee serials, using kind of 1930s and '40s sensibilities, and I'll base it on sort of mythological motifs and icons. I'll just put it together in a modern form, and I'll have fun. That's how I got into that. I did it because it was an interesting move into an area that I thought I'd never go into."

Three decades later, Lucas is preparing to launch the last of his six "Star Wars" films. Next summer brings "Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith," completing the prequel trilogy that tells the story of young Anakin Skywalker's metamorphosis into the villainous Darth Vader of the original three films.

Fans have eagerly awaited the first three "Star Wars" films on DVD, a release Lucas initially intended to delay until he finished "Episode III."

Some will be miffed that the original theatrical versions are not included in the "Star Wars" boxed set, which features only the special-edition versions Lucas issued in the late 1990s, with added effects and footage, including a scene between Harrison Ford (news)'s Han Solo and crime lord Jabba the Hutt in the first "Star Wars."

AP: Why did you change your mind and decide to put the original three movies out on DVD now?

Lucas: Just because the market has shifted so dramatically. A lot of people are getting very worried about piracy. That has really eaten dramatically into the sales. It really just came down to, there may not be a market when I wanted to bring it out, which was like, three years from now. So rather than just sit by and watch the whole thing fall apart, better to bring it out early and get it over with.

AP: Why did you rework the original trilogy into the special-edition versions in the late 1990s?

Lucas: To me, the special edition ones are the films I wanted to make. Anybody that makes films knows the film is never finished. It's abandoned or it's ripped out of your hands, and it's thrown into the marketplace, never finished. It's a very rare experience where you find a filmmaker who says, "That's exactly what I wanted. I got everything I needed. I made it just perfect. I'm going to put it out there." And even most artists, most painters, even composers would want to come back and redo their work now. They've got a new perspective on it, they've got more resources, they have better technology, and they can fix or finish the things that were never done. ... I wanted to actually finish the film the way it was meant to be when I was originally doing it. At the beginning, people went, "Don't you like it?" I said, "Well, the film only came out to be 25 or 30 percent of what I wanted it to be." They said, "What are you talking about?" So finally, I stopped saying that, but if you read any interviews for about an eight- or nine-year period there, it was all about how disappointed I was and how unhappy I was and what a dismal experience it was. You know, it's too bad you need to get kind of half a job done and never get to finish it. So this was my chance to finish it.

AP: Why not release both the originals and special editions on DVD?

Lucas: The special edition, that's the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it's on VHS, if anybody wants it. ... I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn't really exist anymore. It's like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be. I'm the one who has to take responsibility for it. I'm the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they're going to throw rocks at me, they're going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.

AP: Do you pay much attention to fan reactions to your choices?

Lucas: Not really. The movies are what the movies are. ... The thing about science-fiction fans and "Star Wars" fans is they're very independent-thinking people. They all think outside the box, but they all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way.

AP: After "Episode III," will you ever revisit "Star Wars"?

Lucas: Ultimately, I'm going to probably move it into television and let other people take it. I'm sort of preserving the feature film part for what has happened and never go there again, but I can go off into various offshoots and things. You know, I've got offshoot novels, I've got offshoot comics. So it's very easy to say, "Well, OK, that's that genre, and I'll find a really talented person to take it and create it." Just like the comic books and the novels are somebody else's way of doing it. I don't mind that. Some of it might turn out to be pretty good. If I get the right people involved, it could be interesting.

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