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Whilst I couldn't really participate in Overrated comic creator, it'd at least provide a lot of discussion.

Something I could vote in? Erm, is best comic villain too like the bad-ass tourney?

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I'm still leaning towards best teenage superhero. I'm thinking it will be a 64-character tournament, with 32 characters on each side (RE: classic v current). Here's the list I've compiled thus far:

Classic

Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)

Beast

Blink

Bouncing Boy

Brainiac 5

Bucky

Cannonball

Captain Marvel, Jr.

Changeling / Beast Boy

Cyborg

Cyclops

Cypher

Dani Moonstar

Firestar

Human Torch (Johnny Storm)

Iceman

Impulse

Jubilee

Karate Kid

Kid Flash (Wally West)

Kitty Pryde

Lightning Lad

Magik

Marvel Boy / Justice

Marvel Girl (Jean Grey)

Mary Marvel

Mon-El

Nova (Richard Rider)

Phantom Girl

Raven

Robin (Dick Grayson)

Robin (Jason Todd)

Saturn Girl

Speedball

Speedy (Roy Harper)

Spider-Man

Starfire

Superboy (Clark Kent)

Superboy (Kon-El)

Supergirl

Triplicate Girl

Wonder Girl (Donna Troy)

Current

Araña

Arisia

Armor

Blindfold

Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)

Cyclone (Maxine Hunkel)

Dust

Fairchild

Freefall

Gravity

Hellion

Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)

Hulkling

Invincible

Jakeem Thunder

Kid Devil

Kitty Pryde (Ultimate)

Layla Miller

Lucy in the Sky (Karolina Dean)

Miss Martian

Patriot

Pixie

Ravager

Robin (Tim Drake)

Rockslide

Sister Grimm (Nico Minoru)

Speedy (Mia Dearden)

Spider-Girl

Spider-Man (Ultimate)

Spider-Woman (Mattie Franklin)

Stargirl

Stature

Supergirl

Wiccan

Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark)

X-23

Ten names need to be trimmed from the classic side, and four need to be dropped from the current characters.

That said, is there anyone I forgot to add? I'm not opposed to adding names at this point.

Edited by Yoda
Added characters.

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For current

Wiccan

Patriot

Iron Lad

Element Lad

Ravager

Miss Martian

As for cuts:

Karate Kid

Triplicate Girl

Superboy Clark (Kon is the better choice)

Mon-El

Bouncing Boy

Saturn Girl

Impulse (Wally's already there)

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Maybe I'm biased, but I feel both Wally and Bart should be listed. Just because they have the same powers doesn't mean one negates the other. Plus, Bart is being listed as Impulse, not Kid Flash.

I also have to disagree with cutting the Clark Superboy. Kon might be better (in our opinion), but the classic Superboy is a very important character to the history of comic books and teen heroes.

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To the currents I've added:

Patriot

Ravager

Wiccan

Isn't Miss Martian a villain?

As much as I like Iron Lad, based on how the first Young Avengers storyline ended, we have to assume he no longer exists. Therefore, I can't include him on the current side.

Element Lad? Really?

Why do you suggest cutting Karate Kid, Mon-El, Triplicate Girl, Bouncing Boy and Saturn Girl?

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If you take a look at the list of names, which has been edited, you'll see I have 40 characters for the classic side and 35 for the currents. More than enough. However, is there anyone I left off? Before I start cutting characters, I'm willing to add a few more. But they need to be named soon.

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I've added Mary Marvel and Captain Marvel, Jr. to the classic side. Captain Marvel didn't make the list because Billy Batson wasn't a teenager, nor was Captain Marvel. So either way, he's either too young or too old to make it.

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Classic

Aqualad

Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld

Kamandi (?)

Current

Rory and Pandora Destine

Hawk and Dove

Klarion the Witch Boy

Thunder (Black Lightning's daughter)

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Thunder graduated college. Unless she's a prodigy like Cyclone, that means Anissa is in her early 20s.

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Why do you suggest cutting Karate Kid, Mon-El, Triplicate Girl, Bouncing Boy and Saturn Girl?

Because I couldn't care less about any of them. Blatant Marvel bias on my part, admittedly.

I was going by wiki on Miss Martian. It said she was a current to recent member of the Titans.

Element Lad was my attempt to pad the list. I won't be heartbroken if he doesn't make it.

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While I appreciate your admitted bias, we can't 86 the most famous members of the Legion of Super-Heroes.

So far it looks like I'm going to cut:

Classic

Beast

Firestar

Iceman

Lightning Lad

Phantom Girl

Speedball

Current

Arisia

Blindfold

Pixie

Spider-Woman (Mattie Franklin)

If anyone wants to make a case for those characters, first tell me why they deserve to be in it, and second tell me who should be cut in their place.

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Arisia could trounce most on this list as a GL. Who the hell is Stature? Toss her instead.

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Stature is Scott Lang's daughter, and is one of the Young Avengers.

Keep in mind this isn't a poll to determine who would win in a battle. It will determine the best teenage superhero. How powerful someone is isn't the top criteria we'll be looking at.

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Alright, I see Stature being there as she suffers from the all-important "Dead Dad Syndrome" but Arisia with the body changing and immaturity mixed with a romantic involvement with a man more than twice his age who should know better makes her more interesting than ANY of the X-characters on that list.

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Classic

Aqualad

Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld

Kamandi

Current

Rory and Pandora Destine

Hawk and Dove

Klarion the Witch Boy

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If all goes as planned, I'll be making the final cuts this weekend, so get your suggestions in now or hold your tongue later.

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Here's the final list. I know not everyone will be happy with it, but some harsh cuts had to be made.

Rules of the tournament, brackets and a starting date will be posted shortly.

Classic

Batgirl (Cassandra Cain)

Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)

Bouncing Boy

Brainiac 5

Cannonball

Changeling / Beast Boy

Cyborg

Cyclops

Cypher

Dani Moonstar

Human Torch (Johnny Storm)

Impulse

Jubilee

Kid Flash (Wally West)

Kitty Pryde

Magik

Marvel Boy / Justice

Marvel Girl (Jean Grey)

Mary Marvel

Mon-El

Nova (Richard Rider)

Raven

Robin (Dick Grayson)

Robin (Jason Todd)

Saturn Girl

Speedy (Roy Harper)

Spider-Man

Starfire

Superboy (Clark Kent)

Superboy (Kon-El)

Supergirl

Wonder Girl (Donna Troy)

Current

Araña

Arisia

Armor

Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)

Cyclone (Maxine Hunkel)

Dust

Fairchild

Freefall

Gravity

Hellion

Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)

Hulkling

Invincible

Jakeem Thunder

Kitty Pryde (Ultimate)

Layla Miller

Lucy in the Sky (Karolina Dean)

Miss Martian

Patriot

Ravager

Robin (Tim Drake)

Rockslide

Sister Grimm (Nico Minoru)

Speedy (Mia Dearden)

Spider-Girl

Spider-Man (Ultimate)

Stargirl

Stature

Supergirl

Wiccan

Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark)

X-23

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