KnightWing Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 I'd bet that if people didn't know or care who Moffat was, a good number of the complaints would cease. Lots of the criticism leveled at DW in recent years has been based on assumptions (well-informed or not) about what Moffat's thoughts and intentions are. ("Moffat is sexist"; "Moffat is just trying to create memes"; "Moffat is too self-referential"; "Moffat thinks he's being clever"; "Moffat is a funny name when you think about it") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think with Doctor Who, you can't disregard the people with the power behind the scenes. There's a reason Hinchcliffe is identified with horror, Saward with violence, and the Seventh Doctor changed when Cartmel established himself. In a show that can be anything, what the show runner, script editor, producer, whoever has the creative power sees it as is going to shine through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 When it comes to Moffat I have more specific complaints- -Over-reliant on arcs that are supposed to end in the Doctors death. From the Van Gogh showing the destruction of the Tardis (Season 5), The Impossible Astronaut (Season 6) and Trenzalore (Season 7) it feels like they're always headed to a predetermined point of his destruction. -Always ties his season finales in knots, I wish he'd tell a straightforward story for once. I bet there's a lot of people who can't follow his overall stories. Heck, listening to BOTI it feels like hardcore fans have trouble! -Why is the Doctor's relationship with any powerful woman always outrageously flirty? -Creates very interesting concept villains like the Silence and Weeping Angels and then has no idea where to take them after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think with Doctor Who, you can't disregard the people with the power behind the scenes. There's a reason Hinchcliffe is identified with horror, Saward with violence, and the Seventh Doctor changed when Cartmel established himself. In a show that can be anything, what the show runner, script editor, producer, whoever has the creative power sees it as is going to shine through.I think we're talking about two different things to an extent. It's not as though the showrunner doesn't matter; it's that I think it's a little unfair to judge a book by its author, so to speak. If the book itself is bad, that's one thing, but a good chunk of the criticism about modern DW is really just criticism about Moffat himself, whether the show objectively deserves it or not.When it comes to Moffat I have more specific complaints--Over-reliant on arcs that are supposed to end in the Doctors death. From the Van Gogh showing the destruction of the Tardis (Season 5), The Impossible Astronaut (Season 6) and Trenzalore (Season 7) it feels like they're always headed to a predetermined point of his destruction.-Always ties his season finales in knots, I wish he'd tell a straightforward story for once. I bet there's a lot of people who can't follow his overall stories. Heck, listening to BOTI it feels like hardcore fans have trouble!-Why is the Doctor's relationship with any powerful woman always outrageously flirty?-Creates very interesting concept villains like the Silence and Weeping Angels and then has no idea where to take them after that.I think I agree with all of those points.If The Time of the Doctor is any indication, then Seasons 5-7 have really been one arc, what with every step (the repeated attempts to kill the Doctor, for instance) being part of the same plan in the end. That may not have been planned from the beginning, but it seems like at the very least, that particular trope should end now that Trenzalore is behind us. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Doctor Twelve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 When it comes to Moffat I have more specific complaints- -Over-reliant on arcs that are supposed to end in the Doctors death. From the Van Gogh showing the destruction of the Tardis (Season 5), The Impossible Astronaut (Season 6) and Trenzalore (Season 7) it feels like they're always headed to a predetermined point of his destruction. -Always ties his season finales in knots, I wish he'd tell a straightforward story for once. I bet there's a lot of people who can't follow his overall stories. Heck, listening to BOTI it feels like hardcore fans have trouble! -Why is the Doctor's relationship with any powerful woman always outrageously flirty? -Creates very interesting concept villains like the Silence and Weeping Angels and then has no idea where to take them after that. I find that the people who have had a hard time following the plot the last couple of years have actually made the plot a thousand times more complicated in their own heads than Moffat did on the show. Like the people who were confused by The Wedding of River Song. To hear some people explain it was gibberish when all the plot of that episode boiled down to was something was supposed to happen, it didn't, so time got fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 I'd bet that if people didn't know or care who Moffat was, a good number of the complaints would cease. Lots of the criticism leveled at DW in recent years has been based on assumptions (well-informed or not) about what Moffat's thoughts and intentions are. ("Moffat is sexist"; "Moffat is just trying to create memes"; "Moffat is too self-referential"; "Moffat thinks he's being clever"; "Moffat is a funny name when you think about it") Good point, I would agree with that. Not to say that the complaints may not be valid, but it's almost as though some people are trying to outthink Moffat. This little girl's summation of the episode makes me like it a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Paterson Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I really really like this arrangement of the theme tune: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/12/the-captain-kirk-problem-how-em-doctor-who-em-betrayed-matt-smith/282690/ Thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 That's pretty much how I feel. I think Matt Smith is one of the best actors to play the role and the Eleventh Doctor is one of my favorite incarnations, but the stories after Series Five stopped being in service to the character and the actor that played him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 You know what I just realized? If the Silence are just confessors that let you forget and are for the most part not really bad guys that whole getting humanity to kill them all on sight is really not good in hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 At first, I had the same thought. However, thinking back on it, I believe The Doctor said The Silence we saw in The Time of The Doctor were a splinter sect of their species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I might be alien racist but they all look the same so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Evil Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 They were originally confessors. They were repurposed for controlling humanity when the kovarian chapter went back in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Evil Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Also, Big finish have the Nicholas Courtney memoirs on sale for £2.99 for the next 48 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 http://www.cultbox.co.uk/features/opinion/8841-doctor-who-the-timeline-of-the-doctor-making-sense-of-the-matt-smith-years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 That seems right to me. We're never going to see the new improved Daleks again are we? Not that I'm sad or anything, but in 30 years they'll be like the Special Weapons Daleks, people will be begging to see them in the background of a new episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Do you mean the Skittles Daleks? I always wanted to know what Eternal's job was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjoyadet Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Go go Dalek Rangers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mockery Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Do you mean the Skittles Daleks? I always wanted to know what Eternal's job was... They had no idea what the Dalek Eternal did. Mark Gatiss admitted he just made the name up without any idea about what it would actually do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Filming on Series Eight began yesterday. Here's the first pic (still no sign of the new costume yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Season 9 confirmed for 2015????? http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/8879-doctor-who-series-9-confirmed-for-2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 This just in: Doctor Who will not, in fact, be ending in 2014. That is kinda funny how offhand it was, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 It was the vaguest of possible wordings, but I did notice that Moffat indicated "we're not splitting Series Eight" and then "Series Nine will also not be split" without indicating he was going to be there for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 This just in: Doctor Who will not, in fact, be ending in 2014. That is kinda funny how offhand it was, though. Was there some sort of doubt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 No, that was the joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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