Dread Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 They didn't make them white supremacists. They took a cheap shot at them. That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Even if the actual term wasn't used, the protesters were described as "a bunch of white folks" with whom "a black man" couldn't "fit in." It's always a cheap shot from the perspective of the one doing the shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Even if the actual term wasn't used, the protesters were described as "a bunch of white folks" with whom "a black man" couldn't "fit in." I've seen these protests. They're not what you'd call "racially diverse." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I've seen these protests. They're not what you'd call "racially diverse." Yeah, I've seen 'em too. I actually know people from just about every major "race" in the country that participate in them. Race is not nearly as important as the Cap story makes it out to be. (the same way that it's not "government hate") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Fair enough. I just think that mayeb instead of complaining about being taxed, one should complain about how their taxes are being spent. Such as in wars as opposed to education. Bailing out corporations instead of taking care of the health of their citizens and all. I'm done. Not nearly as fun as arguing with Dubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I just think that mayeb instead of complaining about being taxed, one should complain about how their taxes are being spent. Such as in wars as opposed to education. Bailing out corporations instead of taking care of the health of their citizens and all. I'm not gonna argue about the actual politics; I just don't want actual people (who are not historical figures) demonized, no matter who they are. Then again, I don't like much of any specific real-world influence in my comic stories, so maybe that's just my problem. I'm done. Not nearly as fun as arguing with Dubs. Aww. Now my feelings are hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venneh Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 ...Sorry, but, all my feelings about the Tea Partiers aside, no, that is absolutely not what they are doing. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Joe Quesada put it better than I could. Where Mr. Houston is correct is in our accidently identifying in one of the held up signs, the group as being a part of the Tea Party instead of a generic protest group. That’s something that we need to apologize for and own up to, because it’s just one of those stupid mistakes that happened through a series of stupid incidents. The book was getting ready to go to the printer, it was on fire already from a deadline standpoint, but the editor on the book noticed that there was a small art correct that needed to get done. On the first page featuring the protestors, the artist on the book drew slogans into the protest signs to give them a sense of reality and to set up the scene. On the following page featuring the protestors again, there were signs, but nothing written in them. From a continuity standpoint, this omission stood out like a sore thumb, but was easily fixable. So, just before the book went to the printer, the editor asked the letterer on the book to just fudge in some quick signs. The letterer in his rush to get the book out of the door but wanting to keep the signs believable, looked on the net and started pulling slogans from actual signs. That’s when he came upon this one. Photo by David Weigel at The Washington Independent And used it in the scene and off it went to the printer. Unfortunately, to make the deadline, the work wasn’t double-checked thoroughly, and it was printed as is, which is where we as an editorial group screwed up. We spoke to the letterer, and he was mortified at his mistake and was truly sorry as he had no political agenda. He was just trying to do his job, but ultimately the onus falls on me as E-i-C. All that said, we caught the mistake two weeks ago, after it was printed and removed the sign from the art files so that it no longer appears in future reprints of the title or collections. So, while the crowd protesting has nothing to do with the villains in the story, we in no way meant to say they were associated with the Tea Party movement, it was a simple perfect storm of screw-ups. It happens, we’re human. However, where I do take exception with Mr. Houston’s article is when he states that we are calling the Tea Party racist...wait I’m sorry, that we’re saying that every white person is a racist along with several other horrible and inflammatory accusations. Nothing can be further from the truth, accidental placement of a Tea Party sign or not, those sentiments are not in the pages of our comics and are a complete and irresponsible misrepresentation. And as for his criticism of the remarks made by the character of Sam Wilson, this is a four-issue series. So to really get a full picture of why he feels the way he does and what conclusions he comes to at the end of the story, you really need to read the whole thing and not just judge a story and its intent on the first issue. What we do at Marvel is provide our readers with the unexpected and many times what is on the surface is not what is really going on. Source EDIT: Aaaand of course everything happens while I'm posting. Agh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuaveStar Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I just noticed that Superman will reach issue 700 in May of this year, Batman will reach that in June, and Wonder Woman will revert back to 600(If that write in thing worked) so, that's interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc20willsave Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Wonder Woman will be reverting back sometime this summer I believe. Since Batman and Superman started about the same time though, it's not too coincidental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I was just reading Blackest Night: Tales of the Corps #3, and it looks like Arisia has now been retconned as having already been an adult before joining the Corps, thus avoiding the whole Hal/Arisia pedophilia controversy. Interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuaveStar Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I just read that War of the Supermen is going to be a four issue weekly thing. Meaning it will be done during May, also, it's regular size, and going to be $2.99. I'm still not touching it, but I thought I'd let everyone else know. Also, #0 will be a FCBD book, which is nice, one week the free issue is out, week after that, real thing starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Van Sciver on Wordballoon was a major dick this time. They need to get him and Loeb on a book together so they can sail off into the sunset in their own little comic book world of their own making... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc20willsave Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Van Sciver on Wordballoon was a major dick this time. They need to get him and Loeb on a book together so they can sail off into the sunset in their own little comic book world of their own making... What'd he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuaveStar Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Van Sciver on Wordballoon was a major dick this time. They need to get him and Loeb on a book together so they can sail off into the sunset in their own little comic book world of their own making... Is this the one with the musical interludes? Cause those were shit. His excuse for Flash being late really was really stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Went on and on about Dale Keown wasting his time at Top Cow, Gary Frank wasting his time not doing a top tier book at Marvel or DC and then saying that his store carries indie books but "his eyes move over them" to the big two. Then he managed to work in sales figures into what he looks at. Apparently, if it isn't in his comp book it isn't a comic book. Then there was his music... I like the guy's art but I think I need to stop listening to his interviews. What a colossal dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuaveStar Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Went on and on about Dale Keown wasting his time at Top Cow, Gary Frank wasting his time not doing a top tier book at Marvel or DC and then saying that his store carries indie books but "his eyes move over them" to the big two. Then he managed to work in sales figures into what he looks at. Apparently, if it isn't in his comp book it isn't a comic book. Then there was his music... I like the guy's art but I think I need to stop listening to his interviews. What a colossal dick. Let me know when you get to his excuse for Flash: Rebirth. Also, I just like his covers, his art has never been my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Well his health is pretty valid but I don't let getting fat in the way of working so he probably shouldn't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuaveStar Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Well his health is pretty valid but I don't let getting fat in the way of working so he probably shouldn't either. Yes. If I have a project to do, then I will work my life around it, not the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 What a colossal dick. .... ... Nah. Too easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Wow. Siege #1 only sold 108,000 copies to retailers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Yikes! Secret Invasion #1 sold 250,000 copies, and #8 sold 152,000. So Marvel must be very worried right about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Well, hopefully, they'll catch on to the "constant events are bad" drum that I've been banging for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Though I'm sure there will be self-contained Avengers, Fantastic Four, and X-Men events post-Siege, the word is that it will end company-wide events for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Wow. Siege #1 only sold 108,000 copies to retailers. Heheheh... BURN, MARVEL, BURN..... Er, uh... I mean... I hope they do better next time! *snicker* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 The last thing comics needs is what wrestling got: One of the two big companies falling off, and competition outright dying. (Granted, because of the parent companies, it will likely never happen that way.) I love DC, I love Marvel. I don't want to see either company struggle or fail. Fuck, is there a reason that I can't be getting two separate companies throwing great shit at me at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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