Venneh Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 next ep looks to be centered away from kings landing, and going by titles, Tyrion's trial will be ep 5, and the Oberyn/Mountain duel will be ep 8. If they do this right, there is amazing potential to examine the fallout and still hit all the book plot threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pan-dub Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Some gigantic douche just spoiled the thing that I'm guessing is 'that' event. FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venneh Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 So, what in the actual fuck was with them deciding to make the sept sex into a rape scene? Was there some damn quota that they hadn't fulfilled? Cersei does not look more sympathetic for having undergone this, and they literally threw all of Jaime's character development out the window for this. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Apparently the director thought that it was consensual by the end and that the whole thing was a turn-on for them, which is completely fucked up. I was going to see if there was any point to what they did, but after reading that and how the scene was in the book, I'm going to go ahead and say the show is permanently damaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venneh Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I've been reading two different things - the Salon article making the rounds, and this, where he isn't saying it's consensual and that the show runners were more into it than he was: www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-director-controversial-scene-697733 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Her protesting and yet still doing it was pretty much exactly how I remember the deal in the books. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed pretty accurate to the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 The passage is posted here and it's significantly different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Fair enough, I still think they were going for something like the original, and I'm putting it down to poor execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'm with Tom, the problem is the book scene starts out rape-y and significantly changes tune. The episode cut out before the change really occurred. I think Jamie can be redeemed, but it will need to be carefully done. Let's not forget they made Khal Drogo a rapist, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 So what's worse, sister rape or attempted child murder? Because the show started out with Jaime doing the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Well murder is worse than rape and Cercei is worse than Bran so on the scale of things too awful to be quantified on a scale you can make a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 The problem is, the attempted murder of Brandon should have been Jamie's lowest point, the point that makes his heroic redemption all the more impressive. Whereas the reunion with Cersei was meant to be a stumbling block on his heroic journey, and it's almost turned back into another Moral Event Horizon. That and Bran is just... awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 GRRM weighs in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 I like how people are up in arms over a rape. A rape. Do you realize you're watching Game of Thrones? There is literally no moral compass on this show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFetch Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 People are just upset because Jaime is a fan favorite and it makes him look bad, even though he was never a good person to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc20willsave Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 There's a character with the fan name, "The Mountain That Rapes." Jamie threw a kid out the window in the first episode. It's mainly people forgetting he was a douche until last season. They forget a wounded dog can still rip your face off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 He threw a kid out a window WHILE FUCKING HIS SISTER. This should come as no surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 It seems that a lot of the upset is not that there was a rape in and of itself (although some of that is there as well), but that it deviated from the book. Sometimes in an adaptation changes are made (and that all by itself will cause consternation), but it appears to me that taking a scene which read as either consensual or as "it became consensual at some point" (which is problematic all by its lonesome) appeared on screen to have been changed to a violent act against a woman for no real reason other than shock or tittilation (although there was NOTHING tittilating about that scene). Brother-sister bumping of uglies in a church under the body of their dead incest baby not being shocking enough, mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I'm more bothered by the derailment of the best character arc on the series. Jamie went to all that effort to keep Brienne from getting raped last season and then rapes Cersei? There's my fucking issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 And I get that Brienne is the honorable, virginal knightess and Cersei is the hateful bitch who uses sex as the most effective weapon in the series, but rape is still rape. There are characters that could, should and will perform more sexual violence in the upcoming seasons. The new and improved Jamie Lannister is not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 And I get that Brienne is the honorable, virginal knightess and Cersei is the hateful bitch who uses sex as the most effective weapon in the series, but rape is still rape. There are characters that could, should and will perform more sexual violence in the upcoming seasons. The new and improved Jamie Lannister is not one of them. I understand where you're coming from, but you're looking at this from the perspective of someone who's read the books. I would argue most viewers haven't and this is a thing on its own. I love that one of the best people in this world is a rapist and murderer. Even Arya takes great sadistic joy in killing when she does. Game of Thrones is nihilistic and misanthropic. I love that it is so popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badhead Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 I'm more bothered by the derailment of the best character arc on the series. Jamie went to all that effort to keep Brienne from getting raped last season and then rapes Cersei? There's my fucking issue. real life does not have neat story and character arks that go from A to Z. So why should a TV show have them. Is playing with the conventions of what people expect from a show not a good thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Except it doesn't fit the character's arc at all. Because I'm one of those guys that has read the books and knows where this is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 That's the thing. This isn't the novels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc20willsave Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Not to outright defend it but remember that in the novels, Jamie is just getting back when The Purple Wedding occurs. Now, he's had weeks to be rejected by Cersei and see the extent of how she's changed. Not only that but Cersei has been able to adjust to the new Jamie. It might be a narrative mistake but it's not outright character derailment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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