Wow! Nicolette... we have lots in common especially the love for myself and Mr Des! hahah! To wax on about one point you made... our sons are enough to make any uterus ache... until you're in their company for over 15 minutes.. then you run for the hills and your diaphram. Wow. Diaphram... speaking of 80s.. I don't know anyone who actually uses one now... ok, I think my fevered delirium may now be alienating the male readers on the forum, so I will end here.