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Liked the episode but didn't love it. Having said that I agree with just about everything Slothian said. Matt was Excellent as always

What does everyone think about the xmas episode teaser? Does it seem like they are going to address the silence will fall thing? Why would he go back to Trenzalore after seeing what he's seen?

Yeah, that was the one problem I had with the episode. We have another case of what should be a historical summit between humanity and an alien race and they just kinda drop it. I know that that's technically not the focus of the story but still, a little attempt at recognition of a dropped plotline would have been nice. I thought there was a line were 11 said for the next few hours none of you will remember who is Zygon and who is Human just to get them over the destruction of Earth bit. Once the truce was negotiated and a few hours had passed, they would realise who was who and go there separate ways in which ever way they had decided.

I couldn't agree more.

It seems weird that he is taking that stance on the numbering since he or his successor will have to address the whole issue of how many times he can regenerate and he did actually regenerate from 8 into Hurt and then from Hurt into what looked like 9. I think they digitally added 9's face in there just for a second. Or was I imagining it. Plus that Time lord did say ALL 13 are here not 13 of THEM are here.

I was amazed at the amount of cameos they got in it.

The whole thing was so well handled showing both sides of William Hartnells Grumpy but lovable character. When Reece Shearsmith turned up as Troughton I just chuckled. He probably didn't fit quite right and did look a bit odd but it was such a small part it didn't bother me at all.

Just seen him. In front of the 5th looking down, just saw the brolly.

Can anyone see the 7th in there? Couldn't make him out.

I'm entirely sure that ganger-Amy isn't a proper ganger, but instead a remote-controlled ganger body that real-Amy is living through. So it wasn't a real separate sentient entity. Surely a ganger is a ganger weather it be remote controlled or not. They were all remote controlled at the start. They are all made from the "Flesh" as they called it (I think). So any ganger travelling in the Tardis would, like the rest of them become so called real.

Nothing to say about The Doctor's Wife other than it is pure gold. If I carry on further, it would be only to gush uncontrollably. The two part ganger story on the other hand is such a let down. I haven't seen it since it first aired. Even after I bought the complete series I have not yet returned to it. Probably never will. I seem to remember there is a line towards the end when they are dropping off the survivors to hold a conference about ganger's rights and at least one of them is a ganger. They are concerned about being ganger's living among so called real people. Now, the Doctor has a line about because they have travelled in the Tardis the energy from it will stabilise them so they are real people now. A few moment later he exposes Amy as a Ganger and melts her. WHAT? WHAT? She has been travelling in the Tardis far longer than the other ganger's so how has its energy not made her real now. Fuck this episode. (I mean the story, not the podcast ) Having said that. When they first introduce the ganger's, I was horrified at the thought that the Doctor on the beach who died was just a ganger. Thank God they never went down that road.

That's sort of what I thought when I saw the episode, given that the Silence can evaporate people on sight. Just because I'm psychically ordered to kill, say, Sylvester Stallone on sight, chance are that that jacked up, plastified sexagenarian Rocky shell could still beat the shit out of me. Exactly.

About the Doctor giving the humans the ability to kill the silence on sight. I never saw it as him wiping out another species. I took it more as, these things are deadly and humans have almost no defence against them as they forget them as soon as they turn away. So all the Doctor has done is level the playing field a bit. Giving humans a fighting chance. Just because they now have the subliminal sense to kill them on sight. Doesn't mean they will succeed in doing so every time.Therefore they wont be completely wiped out.

Seems like season (series) 8 wont air until Autumn 2014 http://screenrant.com/doctor-who-season-8-2014/

True. I was under the assumption though because of the Doctors complex relationship with time only he could seal the cracks in time, so Rory or anyone else falling in wouldn't change all that much. Even the Weeping angels and there time anomalies could only slow it down.

If that was fan made. The BBC needs to hire him/her.

Except that the Doctor did come back, thus River was able to exist. The fact that River caused it means that it's a causality loop of sorts, but that's exactly the kind of thing that the Doctor was doing earlier with his own time loops. The logic works itself out. Hmmm. I still find it a little weak. In my mind The Doctor sealed the cracks erasing him from Amy's existence. Only when she remembered him, did he and his world come back. No one remembered River for her to still be around. Not until the Doctor and the Tardis appeared did some of his world start to find its way back. Look at how Rory suddenly realises "oh yeah the Doctor, how did we forget him. Having said all that I forgive all of it just to have that something borrowed, something blue speech. A truly inspired idea.

But he was bouncing back and forth in time early on in the episode because of Rivers Time wrist gadget thing and only before he sealed up the cracks in the universe. After he was gone Amy's universe was her quiet little village life having never met the doctor. River should not be there.

As much as I love this two parter. Can anyone explain to me how River is able to Leave her Tardis themed Diary at Amy's and Rory's wedding, when without the doctor she would not have existed.

I have faith in the actors cast. Its the script and story that if anything will most likely disappoint. Bryan Cranston is a great actor who excels in programs like Breaking Bad because his good work is backed up by the great writing. If MOS 2 doesn't give him or Affleck powerful moments to shine in, it doesn't matter who they cast. In my opinion MOS did not get the best out Henry Cavil or Michael Shannon.

Of the Matt Smith era Vincent and the Doctor and the Doctor's Wife are my favourites.

The best direction this show could have possibly gone in. Great choice and a total surprise. Never thought they would be that ballsy.

I really hope that

Personally I like the Moffat Daleks. Not that I disliked the Rtd ones but everything changes, it has too. Yes the Moffat Dalek colours are too bright but that could have been altered slightly, further down the line. The idea that they are pure Daleks taking dominance over the Rtd Daleks for not being pure was a really nice touch. The fact that they gave in to public outcry later on is just stupid and totally negates anything that happens in this story. So by the time we get to Asylum we have New colour pure Daleks now working with the Bronze ones. When before they wanted to wipe them out for not being perfect. Nuts. If they would have stuck to there guns, people would have gotten use to them and maybe we might have got further development on what exactly their roles were concerning the job titles they were given. Especially the Eternal Dalek. That one by name alone intrigued me. Shame we will probably never know now.

Murray has had a good run but it couldn't hurt to change things with the arrival of a new Doctor.