Missy Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 So the big reveal / spoiler at the end of the issue is: in an effort to develop their own Super Soldier formula, the Weapon X program created the mutant genome in 1946, and James Howlett / Logan was mutant zero. It was then purposely spread to ensure the survival of mankind. The book wasn't all that good, but the concept is neat: America created Captain America, so Canada responded by creating the mutant genome. Years later, to deal with a growing mutant / superhuman population, America attempted to recreate the lost Super Soldier serum, which led to the Hulk. And if I recall, Norman Osborn's OZ formula was also an attempt at recreating the Super Soldier serum. So yes, it's all connected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 So the big reveal / spoiler at the end of the issue is: in an effort to develop their own Super Soldier formula, the Weapon X program created the mutant genome in 1946, and James Howlett / Logan was mutant zero. It was then purposely spread to ensure the survival of mankind. The book wasn't all that good, but the concept is neat: America created Captain America, so Canada responded by creating the mutant genome. Years later, to deal with a growing mutant / superhuman population, America attempted to recreate the lost Super Soldier serum, which led to the Hulk. And if I recall, Norman Osborn's OZ formula was also an attempt at recreating the Super Soldier serum. So yes, it's all connected. So...Professor X is in his fifties? Magneto too? What happened to World War 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Has it even been outright stated that Ultimate Magneto was in a concentration camp during WWII? Even if it has, age doesn't matter here. Logan's DNA was altered by Weapon X, so one has to assume that Weapon X exposed other people (the world?) to the perfected version of whatever they put into Logan. Thus mutating their genes. Some people were born with the gene (thanks to their parents having been exposed) and other people were changed thanks to direct exposure (sort of like an Ultimate White Event). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Boo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 When the Ultimate Universe is too similar to the Marvel Universe, people complain. But when it's too different, people also complain. Oy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Just sounds like bullhonkey that they've retroactively decided to exploit and they're telling everyone it was planned all along. The Ultimate Universe is dead. Warren Ellis killed it. Mike Carey shit on its corpse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Read Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #2-3. Right there it was established that something greater was going on behind the scenes, and Marvel has always said there was a conspiracy that would be revealed in time. It only took this long because The Ultimates and The Ultimates 2 were plagued by delays. Bendis needed those runs to end before he could pull the trigger on certain plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Read Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #2-3. Right there it was established that something greater was going on behind the scenes, and Marvel has always said there was a conspiracy that would be revealed in time. It only took this long because The Ultimates and The Ultimates 2 were plagued by delays. Bendis needed those runs to end before he could pull the trigger on certain plans. I read #1 and it was awful. The Ultimate universe has always been didactic: awesome and sucky. But it's less and less didactic the older it gets. Read: sucky. Of course this will change everything forever and all of Quesada's wanky lines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 You can grouse all you want about Ultimate Marvel Team-Up, the state of the Ultimate Universe as a whole and Quesada's use of hyperbole, but the fact remains that this has been planned since very early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tglancy Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 As long as I can still read Ultimate Spiderman without having to put up with any of this shit, I am a-ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drqshadow Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Didn't buy the issue, but I flipped through it and thought the big reveal was a good idea, at least. Anything that leads to an original idea in the Ultimate Universe, and not a simple retelling of a twenty year old 616 story with new wardrobe, well, that's good by me. Dread, you're nuts. Ellis's run on UF4 was the last time I really, really enjoyed that book, and Ultimate Human was excellent as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted June 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Ultimate Human was excellent as well. I'm not the only person who enjoyed that miniseries? Beyond the first issue, I wasn't aware you read and liked the rest of the series, Sean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drqshadow Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Yeah, I loved it, and I wouldn't have even thought twice about it if I hadn't been given issue #1 to review for IIWY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 I liked this, its the first big Ultimate event that I think I can get into. I wound up hating the Ultimate Galactus stuff but this is an interesting reveal. I am worried that all Mutants being labeled Canadians will actually make some of the hate justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 I liked this, its the first big Ultimate event that I think I can get into. I wound up hating the Ultimate Galactus stuff but this is an interesting reveal. I am worried that all Mutants being labeled Canadians will actually make some of the hate justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted June 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 I have too much time on my hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragernok2002 Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Its a different take, I give them that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Edge Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Ultimate Human was excellent as well. I'm not the only person who enjoyed that miniseries? Beyond the first issue, I wasn't aware you read and liked the rest of the series, Sean. You weren't the only one. I thought it was the best thing Ellis did in Marvel since 'Not Dead Yet'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-T Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 OK, I picked up the whole series so far on Wednesday and finished #4 this evening. Bruce Banner and Hank Pym are working on the Super-Soldier formula when Banner tries it on himself and becomes the Hulk. Banner was also working with Richard Parker. Banner becomes the Hulk, and apparently kills Richard Parker's wife, who is holding their infant son - Spider-Man. Huh? This is not consistent. It was established in the Venom storyline in USM that Peter Parker's parents (both of them) died in a plane crash when some bad corporate guys wanted to use lawyers to steal the anti-cancer suit that would eventually become Venom. Now Mrs. Parker was killed by the Hulk when Peter was a baby? Did Mr. Parker remarry or did she actually not die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-T Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 I am worried that all Mutants being labeled Canadians will actually make some of the hate justified. That would explain Terrance and Phillip's ability to fart on command. That's their mutant power. Will they find Saddam Hussein behind the curtain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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