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Remember, the Superman: The Animated Series timeline matches that of Gotham Knights. So by the time GK started, Dick Grayson had graduated college and was operating on his own, making him 23-ish. Even if Wally was a year or two younger than Dick, he still would have been 21 or 22 in STAS.

Then again, the Flash we saw in "Speed Demons" could have been Barry. He didn't act or look like him, but it's not impossible.

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I just feel dirty watching it. Like a big messy mess.

"You're getting your anime all over my DCAU!"

"No! YOU are getting your DCAU all over MY anime!"

It was the art style. Just like the art in a comic can make a person not want to read it, no matter how good the story; the same can be said of my feelings towards Teen Titans. I just could never take it seriously even at its most serious moments...

Didn't stop me from watching it though.... And Slade does rock.

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Remember, the Superman: The Animated Series timeline matches that of Gotham Knights. So by the time GK started, Dick Grayson had graduated college and was operating on his own, making him 23-ish. Even if Wally was a year or two younger than Dick, he still would have been 21 or 22 in STAS.

Then again, the Flash we saw in "Speed Demons" could have been Barry. He didn't act or look like him, but it's not impossible.

Just to chime in in support, when The Flash, Vol 3 started, with Wally taking on the role of the Flash following Crisis (the first one) and Legends, issue #1 took place on his 20th birthday - and the early issues of Flash Vol 3 were definitely mined by the DCAU creative team for many of the DCAU Flash's character traits (and we all know that when I say character traits, I mean rampant immaturity).

Of course, if anyone else would like to put in the time that Mike and James have done, and do an episode by epsidoe recap of the DCAU leaving out the series that they feel are not in continuity, I'll be happy to hear that take as well. (Or, their ball, their rules).

Chris

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So I had the Boomerang channel on this evening and Teen Titans is on now at 10:30PM EST I was watching the episode Divide & Conquer and was wondering where Robin has gotten all his gadgets if he hasn't been with Bruce before as Batman & Robin? Can someone please explain this. This isn't really a continiuty question or comment I'm just wondering and to lazy to start a Teen Titans thread.

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He's been with Bats. It's been explained that he's on a hiatus. Most famous reference to that is Slade offers to become a father-figure to Robin and he responds with "I already have a father," as bats fly over.

oh ok thanks I've never followed the TT cartoon

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I wouldn't argue whether or not TT is in continuity, because in my mind it simply doesn't exist, just like Zeta and Static.

Hey now! I can't speak for Static Shock or Zeta, but Teen Titans was great!

In my mind there is continuity and loose continuity. Justice League Unlimeted undoubtedly took place after Justice League. Thats continuity. That was then and this is now, is in the same continuity. Same author, same characters, same setting. The only problem is that it is not clear when it takes place. Thats loose continuity. When something has ties, just unclear of where it goes.

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At first I wanted to believe TT was in continuity because it would mean one more quality series was a part of the expansive universe, but then I did some thinking and I couldn't see it, give me one concrete example tying Teen Titans to any other part of the DCAU, just one.

That said, I am lookng forward to the review of it on WFP because as I mentioned, it is a very good show.

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Here's the thing:

Robin in Teen Titans must be Dick Grayson (and not Tim), for these reasons:

-He is too old to be Tim, since we see that Tim looks to still be 13-14 in RotJ, and he doesn't have anywhere near the level of Kung-Fu prowess and wisdom displayed by Robin in TT.

-The alternate universe version of Robin seen in "Fractured," while nicknamed Larry, is actually named "Nosyarg Kcid," Dick Grayson backwards. There's one instance where his name spins around his body, and when it goes around the back, we can clearly see the name "Dick Grayson."

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-Robin's entire character in the Teen Titans show mirrors the comics' version of Dick, right down to his romance with Starfire and the reveal that he will eventually become Nightwing.

This creates a problem, as this makes Dick younger than he was seen in BTAS. We essentially must place this in the DCAU timeline between the flashbacks of "Robin's Reckoning" (where he is 8-10 years old) and the first time he is seen in BTAS, in "Christmas with the Joker."

This doesn't quite gel. In Teen Titans, Robin is shown to be essentially a mini-Batman, having a neverending drive for victory, unparalleled detective skills, and martial arts mastery. However, in BTAS, Dick has none of these skills. It is true, however, that we get a glimpse of Robin's driven personality from Teen Titans in "Robin's Reckoning," but we also get a strong sense of naivete and immaturity, something that wouldn't seem to make sense with a character than has fought interplanetary/galactic/dimensional threats, let alone actually made out with an alien girl.

There is also an inherent problem with the idea of the science fiction elements of Teen Titans.

In Superman: The Animated Series, Lois is at first somewhat unbelieving of Superman's alien nature, which would seem odd if aliens had visited Earth many times before (as they did in the 2nd episode of TT). Furthermore, Superman and the rest of the world know nothing of the Atlanteans until "Fish Story," yet Aqualad had countless team-ups with the Titans. And let's not even mention how the Titans have a spacefaring submarine, yet most of the television sets in BTAS are black-and-white.

It's true that there are some subtle hints at Teen Titans in JLU, but that doesn't necessarily mean much. After all, Mark Hamill has played the Joker in other Batman media; are we to assume that those other productions (such as the new Batman: Arkham Asylum game) are also in the DCAU because of this?

I'm not saying that Teen Titans shouldn't be reviewed in WFP (because GOD I love that show), but I don't think that you can realistically put it in the same continuity as BTAS, STAS, BB, and JLU. Considering how easily those other shows mix together, Teen Titans sticks out like a bleeding, crushed, broken, and rotting thumb.

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New Guy makes a lot of calm logical well-thought out arguements here. The problem is that people who see TT as being a DCAU show arn't doing so because they were convinced by facts. They just really really want it to be so.

Honestly, one comment on a dvd vs the assembled deductive skills of the internet. Its not a tough choice.

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Honestly, one comment on a dvd vs the assembled deductive skills of the internet. Its not a tough choice.

That's another thing that's always bothered me. How does a single text pop-up on a DVD bonus feature qualify as proof? If Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, or Glen Murakami had said that TT was in DCAU continuity, whether than be in an interview or DVD commentary, I'd be just fine with that. But those DVD sets aren't exactly of the highest quality. I mean, seriously, the BTAS Vol 1 DVD set has an absolutely terrible video transfer; my macbook can output better quality than that.

I really don't trust anything from those DVD sets unless they're giving me direct quotes from Timm, Dini, or Murakami.

I don't mean to suggest that the Titans couldn't have existed in the DCAU in some form (they probably did), but I don't think that the Teen Titans series itself fits in.

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Its probably not. Does it really matter?

Absolutely not. That's why its annoying that they won't admit they're wrong! :grumble:

I concur!

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If you all admit you're wrong and Teen Titans is in continuity, nothing happens. An argument ends. If we were to admit we're wrong, then we'd get at least 10 less episodes of WFP. In the case of selfish vs. selfish, I choose the side with greater entertainment value.

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