RSS Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Robot boobies (Sky Doll), gruesome deaths (X-Force: Angels and Demons) and leaping Frenchmen (Captain America: War and Remembrance) are only a handful of the topics Dan and Mike cover this week in Waiting for the Trade. [ 1:24:16 || 38.5 MB ] The above is from: http://www.earth-2.net/theshow/episodes/e2ts_277.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DCAUFan1051 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 what'd u mean to say about the sudden ending mike?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 When the lead character is presented with two very tough options, but doesn't make a decision because someone else makes it for them (or fate intervenes), that gets under my skin. And it's what happened at the end of Sky Doll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DCAUFan1051 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 When the lead character is presented with two very tough options, but doesn't make a decision because someone else makes it for them (or fate intervenes), that gets under my skin. And it's what happened at the end of Sky Doll. I completely agree that's messed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Which is a damn shame, because this story is otherwise extremely well-crafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DCAUFan1051 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Which is a damn shame, because this story is otherwise extremely well-crafted. OK I have an idea: Mike & Des: IIWY Vs Mike & Dan: WFTT it just popped into my head I don't know why but I love the alternating weeks of the segments and Dan Reagan was a better Prez then nixon and clinton combined lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 and Dan Reagan was a better Prez then nixon and clinton combined lol He was certainly better at instituting policies and relaxing restictions that led to the collapse of the U.S. economy, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DCAUFan1051 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 and Dan Reagan was a better Prez then nixon and clinton combined lol He was certainly better at instituting policies and relaxing restictions that led to the collapse of the U.S. economy, sure. and Bush Jr. hasn't done that in the last 8 years?? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Getting back to my point about characters not being allowed to make a crucial decision, I'd like to bring up "The Most Toys," the classic Star Trek: The Next Generation episode. In it, Data decides to kill Kivas Fajo and goes so far as to fire his disruptor. The only reason Fajo lives is because Chief O'Brien activated the transporter at the exact moment Data pulled the trigger. So, yeah, fate got in the way, but at least Data made a choice. In Sky Doll, Noa never gets that far. She barely has time to even think about her options before she's swept away by Roy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I cam appreciate the skill and detail of Clayton Crain's work but I think its all wrong for the Marvel Universe. If it was art for some heavy industrial or fantasy work such as Warhammer or 40k comics I think it might work but its too unique for me to comfortably associate with any aspect of the marvel U I enjoy. I never feel that its very kinetic either, its very obviously something thats taken so long to create that its almost lost the immediacy of the moment that many of my preferred artists have. I picked up his stuff in the Venom vs Carnage story as well as some Spider-man and I never really felt he was a good fit for those, let alone a Marvel Story where he doesn't get to detail grotesque symbiotes. I guess its just personal preference, I just feel his work doesn't aid good storytelling. Maybe on an out and out horror book, something in the style of 30 Days of Night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Though I agree that he shouldn't be illustrating Spider-Man or any of the brighter books, the reason I like him here is because it's so different from the rest of the Marvel artists. Remember, this is supposed to be an underground team tasked with killing any and all mutant threats, so it shouldn't look and feel like any other comic on the market. It should have a gritty, dirty vibe. Is Crain perfect? No. As both Dan and I noted, his work can get muddy, but he's hitting it out of the park most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 And I'll agree with Stravros that his stuff never looks terribly kinetic, but that's something you tend to run into with painted comics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Mike's love of my country's flag might explain why my early columns had the Union Jack as a staple part of the banner artwork.... Fun stuff, gents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 There's a reason the following two costumes are in my top 10 of all time: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 By the way, I didn't use any funny songs because I couldn't find any ones that related to the books we were discussing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Mike, I just realized, you gave 4's across the board this week. You must've really enjoyed this batch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I hadn't noticed the consistency, but yeah, I really loved the books this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George W. Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 I hadn't noticed the consistency, but yeah, I really loved the books this week. So that means an absolute pile of suck next time out, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Well, the first Cable trade did just come out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 I found this interview with writer Roger Stern this afternoon, which I thought was pretty interesting; Part 2 actually talks about his and Byrne's run on Cap that we discussed in some detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 It's pronounced "Yay-hoo" and yes, I am behind on podcasts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 I have no idea what Des is talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Jahu from Sky Doll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 I have no idea what Des is talking about. You might as well sig that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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