Dan Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 To be honest, it probably has more to do with the fact that I'm a cranky bastard who rarely likes adaptations. You have to pare down what's in the book, or the movie would be seven hours long. It was well donr for what it was; it just paled in comparison to the original, for me. And yes, the Reagan scene was beautiful and extremely important, but I can see why they cut it. Stirywise, it added nothing and would have interrupted the flow of the narrative. (however, I still missed it greatly.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venneh Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Hah, entirely fair. I think there were a few bits they could've altered, but for my first experience with the thing, it made me want to find the original series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFetch Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Any particular reason? I don't know. It just doesn't feel like Superman to me. Why does he have a trophy room like Batman but with a yacht and the space shuttle, and he has a pet that eats mini suns? I haven't finished watching it yet, but I'm not impressed so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuaveStar Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Any particular reason? I don't know. It just doesn't feel like Superman to me. Why does he have a trophy room like Batman but with a yacht and the space shuttle, and he has a pet that eats mini suns? I haven't finished watching it yet, but I'm not impressed so far. Cause Superman is a hoarder. I think he also has robots of everyone in the Daily Planet in there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I don't know. It just doesn't feel like Superman to me. Why does he have a trophy room like Batman but with a yacht and the space shuttle, and he has a pet that eats mini suns? I haven't finished watching it yet, but I'm not impressed so far. As far as I can recall, the Fortress of Solitude has always had a trophy room. And I don't think that was a yacht; it was the Titanic. By the way, I'm not sticking up for the movie. Just the Fortress of Solitude in said movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 And yes, the Reagan scene was beautiful and extremely important, but I can see why they cut it. Stirywise, it added nothing and would have interrupted the flow of the narrative. (however, I still missed it greatly.) I have to disagree. The juxtaposition of Superman performing godlike feats, like curing caring cancer and creating life, with him comforting an ordinary human girl is the book's most important moment. That moment of comfort and hope is what Superman is truly about. In the context of the movie, the adaptation of issue 9 added nothing to the story; adapting all of issue 10 would have added everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Know Who Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 And yes, the Reagan scene was beautiful and extremely important, but I can see why they cut it. Stirywise, it added nothing and would have interrupted the flow of the narrative. (however, I still missed it greatly.) I have to disagree. The juxtaposition of Superman performing godlike feats, like curing caring cancer and creating life, with him comforting an ordinary human girl is the book's most important moment. That moment of comfort and hope is what Superman is truly about. In the context of the movie, the adaptation of issue 9 added nothing to the story; adapting all of issue 10 would have added everything. I have to disagree with that. I actually thought Superman showing the Kryptonian couple the error of their ways rather than fighting with them and turning the other cheek by letting them die/live together in the Phantom Zone was much more powerful than him saving a random Goth girl whose name he somehow knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I have to disagree with that. I actually thought Superman showing the Kryptonian couple the error of their ways rather than fighting with them and turning the other cheek by letting them die/live together in the Phantom Zone was much more powerful than him saving a random Goth girl whose name he somehow knows. Reread that issue. He knows it because her doctor is talking to her on the phone earlier in the issue while Superman flies by. And later on, right before he saves her, he overhears the doctor say her name once more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I have to disagree with that. I actually thought Superman showing the Kryptonian couple the error of their ways rather than fighting with them and turning the other cheek by letting them die/live together in the Phantom Zone was much more powerful than him saving a random Goth girl whose name he somehow knows. It was a bit harsh of me to say that the adaptation of issue 9 contributed nothing, as his interactions with the Kryptonians are representative of Superman's character. However, I do think that the scene with Regan, especially in the context Morrison presents it, is far more powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 One on hand, I'm always glad to see Arnold Voosolooo get work, on the other, I can't believe Reagan got cut. I still like the film, quite a bit. Does it have a patch on the books? Fuck, no. But adapting All-Star Superman is nigh-impossible, and this flick did a decent job of it. Also, all of my opinions may be biased for two reasons: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Know Who Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Frankly, she didn't do much for me as Lois. Her voice commanded about as much as authority and conveyed about as much toughness as Katie Holmes' Rachel Dawes. Still miles better than Anne Heche though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I think Hendricks worked better as a "romantic" Lois than any of the others so far. She didn't have much in the way of toughness, but then she didn't have much to do in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I thought she was the best actor in the movie. After her, Anthony LaPaglia really captured the mad scientist Lex and Matthew Gray Gubler made the little screen time Jimmy Olsen got stand out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venneh Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I gotta agree. Between our three leads (Supes, Lois, and Lex), she was the best VA at actually conveying what was going on inside her character's head, but still being subtle about it. Also, an amusing manip: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Know Who Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Just gave All-Star Superman a second viewer. My previous criticisms stand. Will only add that I think it would have worked better as an anthology piece with most of the twelve issues adapted into different segments, a la Gotham Knight, forming a slightly longer film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 So Emerald Knights coming up and Year One by the end of the year (which is freakin' cool as all hell). Anyone know of plans beyond that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Know Who Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 No idea. Hopefully not another adaptation of Jeph Loeb-written Superman/Batman story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 There aren't really any more good ones to adapt. The next one in line is that altered-universe one where Supes and Bats are dictators, then travel through a bunch of alternate universes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 There were never any good ones to adapt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Figured someone would take advantage of that. I think the first two were deeply flawed, but good. And they had a major impact on the DCU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I think the first two were deeply flawed, but good. And they had a major impact on the DCU. Just because it had a major impact doesn't mean it's good. Example: One More Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 *ahem* I think the first two were deeply flawed, but good. And they had a major impact on the DCU. Not good because of impact. Good, and in addition to the good, also had impact, and therefore importance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Honestly, I can't get past the art in either story. I know, I'm ragging on Michael Turner and Ed McGuiness, but I really don't enjoy either guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Not good because of impact. Good, and in addition to the good, also had impact, and therefore importance. Then we will disagree on them being good then. Honestly, I can't get past the art in either story. I know, I'm ragging on Michael Turner and Ed McGuiness, but I really don't enjoy either guy. I like McGuiness and I don't dislike Turner. My issue is with Loeb's writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Will only add that I think it would have worked better as an anthology piece with most of the twelve issues adapted into different segments, a la Gotham Knight, forming a slightly longer film. As All-Star Superman is a series of mostly self-contained stories that each represent a part of Superman's mythos with a narrative backbone throughout them, it's already an anthology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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