Episode 86


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In the ashes of his daughter, Trigon has risen, laying waste to the world. With no hope of surviving, the Teen Titans press forward, attempting to drive the demon back. However, to win, they'll need the assistance of an unlikely and unwanted ally: Slade! The three-part story "The End" brings the fourth season to a close, and delivers one emotional punch after another. [ 1:43:43 || 47.5 MB ]

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I don't care if the man under the mask changes (in fact, I'd rather Dick be Batman, because I feel Dick has more character and depth than Bruce Wayne ever has), but there should be only one Batman at a time. Not two or three or however many there will be in the next few months.

Worse yet, I have a feeling that the stories will be written in such a way as to not imply who's under the cowl. So that when someone reads the trades in 10 years -- when Bruce is the only Batman once more -- they don't have to be bogged down in continuity. This way they never have to know that both Dick and Bruce (and others?) were Batman at the same time. And that's just dumb. You can't have it both ways; if you're going to attempt to build a universe and grow characters, then you can't limit how the stories are told so as not to confuse potential readers years down the line.

The reason I fear this? Because they're already doing it. DC creators have stated it, so you can bet this trend will continue.

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I think the problem is that Terry's character was given importance and significance through his relationship with Bruce.

Taking that away means that the character doesn't have what made him special anymore; he's literally not the same guy from the cartoon.

If you're talking about Batman #700, I don't think that matters, since it takes place in a possible future. Also, I think there are a number of story possibilities with who his mentor is in that possible future.

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I think the thing is, with Dick taking over the cowl, and Damian coming up in the world, and possibly being a future Batman, a lot of people are wondering where the hell BB could fit in continuity, and Morrison gave it a shot at fitting it in, while still trying to keep the continuity going and everyone happy.

Also:

The Batman Beyond mini-series sounds like exactly what they tried to avoid with the cartoon. Loved the bit in Batman #700 though.

Yeah, this.

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I don't care if the man under the mask changes (in fact, I'd rather Dick be Batman, because I feel Dick has more character and depth than Bruce Wayne ever has), but there should be only one Batman at a time. Not two or three or however many there will be in the next few months.

Worse yet, I have a feeling that the stories will be written in such a way as to not imply who's under the cowl. So that when someone reads the trades in 10 years -- when Bruce is the only Batman once more -- they don't have to be bogged down in continuity. This way they never have to know that both Dick and Bruce (and others?) were Batman at the same time. And that's just dumb. You can't have it both ways; if you're going to attempt to build a universe and grow characters, then you can't limit how the stories are told so as not to confuse potential readers years down the line.

The reason I fear this? Because they're already doing it. DC creators have stated it, so you can bet this trend will continue.

I thought they were splitting the Bruce and Dick books. For instance Batman and Robin is a Dick book and Batman Inc will be Bruce's. Plus they are giving Bruce a different looking costume than Dick's.

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They are, but that doesn't matter. Greg Rucka said he wrote Batman's appearance in Detective Comics (RE: Batwoman run) to be vague, this way future generations of readers wouldn't have to worry about it being Dick under the mask. And that's bull. I'm not saying characters in the know should be calling Batman "Dick," but be clear about who it is. Bruce and Dick have two different styles (both as fighters and detectives), and totally different personalities as Batman. If you as the writer aren't going to illustrate that, because you're serving a greater master (RE: future readers), then you've failed in how you handled the character.

It also undermines Dick Grayson's importance. And I'm sick of that shit. Next to Superman and Batman, Dick Grayson is the most important character in all of comic books, yet he's treated like crap by editorial. By having the comics written in such a way so that it could be Bruce as Batman, they're telling us Dick isn't a permanent replacement. That Bruce will be back to take up the role once more. That Dick is just standing in for a cup of coffee. He's a temp. And Dick Grayson should never, ever be treated with such disrespect.

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As much as I disliked it, Mark Bagleys issues of Batman were very distinct in having Dick under the cowl and sometimes smiling when he was fighting bad guys. Bagley seems to always be drawing Dicks Batman to be more upbeat Also, Dick is Batman in the Justice League right now, and they seem to be making it clear that Dick Grayson is wearing the cowl, and having a worlds finest friendship with Supergirl.

Also, Dick has a Bat belt buckle and Bruce just has a regular one, so that is one way to differentiate them.

Also, in Batwoman, I think some of the stuff takes place in the past, so that could have been Bruce under the cowl, as Batwoman meets Dick as Batman during Batman and Robin.

And I agree, I don't think DC knows what they want to do with Dick Grayson, Morrison said as much during B&R when Damian asks what will happen to them when Bruce comes back, and Dick saying he'd go back to being Nightwing. Which is a backwards step now.

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Re the C4 beating the demon, I think that in this situation you have to treat lava (a part of its natural surroundings) and concussive blasts (of which heat is only a component) as separate. Therefore the demon is immune to lava but a high explosive such as C4 can cause damage in significant other ways than just heat. I mean, you might be able to resist 1000 degrees but that's not always going to help when you get hit by a bus. Yes I know its more complicated than just that, but given this is a cartoon where its a zombie fighting a demon a little comic book physics seems in keeping with spirit of the thing.

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I actually thought Mike's big gripe with "Destroyer" (which he teased before in, I believe, Episode 69) was that Superman at one point goes up behind Darkseid, taps him on the shoulder, says "'Scuse me", then punches him in the face. I could see him doing that with some other villain, but not one he hates so much.

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I actually thought Mike's big gripe with "Destroyer" (which he teased before in, I believe, Episode 69) was that Superman at one point goes up behind Darkseid, taps him on the shoulder, says "'Scuse me", then punches him in the face. I could see him doing that with some other villain, but not one he hates so much.

I think Superman just wanted to be a teensy bit arrogant with a being who is arrogance deified.

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I actually thought Mike's big gripe with "Destroyer" (which he teased before in, I believe, Episode 69) was that Superman at one point goes up behind Darkseid, taps him on the shoulder, says "'Scuse me", then punches him in the face. I could see him doing that with some other villain, but not one he hates so much.

I would say if we're looking for gripes with Destroyer, there's only 4 words.

Five. Minute. Head. Start.

Mr. Terrific is Fair Play. Batman is "I am vengeance!"

Chris

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