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Though they've finished discussing the TV series, James and Mike must still cover Teen Titans: Trouble in Tokyo before moving on. What do they think of this movie, the foe, the many anime references, the love story, and Grant Morrison? Wait, Grant Morrison? [ 1:27:28 || 40.1 MB ]

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There's no way that Dick Grayson joined the Titans after the events of Old Wounds he was already an adult. What'd he do jump in a Delorean or Tardis? Much like they combined aspects of Jason Todd and Tim Drake in GK I'm betting they combined all aspects of Robins in TT.

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There's no way that Dick Grayson joined the Titans after the events of Old Wounds he was already an adult. What'd he do jump in a Delorean or Tardis? Much like they combined aspects of Jason Todd and Tim Drake in GK I'm betting they combined all aspects of Robins in TT.

No one says it does. In fact, in this very episode we agreed that it can't take place after "Old Wounds."

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Sophia was right: XL Terrestrial is pictured with the heroes. As is Puppet King.

If you look here, Killowat is pictured next to Red Star, and Puppet King is next to Herald:

titans-together01.jpg

But in the next shot, Killowat has moved to the back row and XL Terrestrial is in his place:

titans-together02.jpg

Maybe XL and PK were trying to blend in with the group. :D

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You just can't let it go, can you? Is it really something that serious? Hell, we've got one more TT-centric episode and it's over. Honestly, I've always taken a tongue-in-cheek stance as relates to the whole continuity debate from Day 1.

That makes me sad. I found myself liking Teen Titans much more than I thought I would.

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I'm not a hater, though. As I said, I love All Star Superman. And let's not forget my love of Aztek, We3, Arkham Asylum, and the character of Damian Wayne.

I just don't think his writing is as smart as most people claim. It's seems to be a purposely confusing jumble most of the time. Like he's writing for himself, and if no one else gets it, oh well.

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Look, I'm not going to say everything the man does is perfect. I love Final Crisis (which is full of great Darkseid moments to bring this back to the original e-mail), but I can also say it's flawed. From the titles you've listed, it seems that you prefer his more mainstream work, which is totally cool, everyone likes what they like. Me? I love his mainstream work and his more offbeat work. I just don't see how you can say he writes only for himself when there are people like Des and myself who respond so strongly to what he writes. And we don't respond to it because we're confused and want to be on some Morrison bandwagon, but because we get it and enjoy it.

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Look, I'm not going to say everything the man does is perfect. I love Final Crisis (which is full of great Darkseid moments to bring this back to the original e-mail), but I can also say it's flawed. From the titles you've listed, it seems that you prefer his more mainstream work, which is totally cool, everyone likes what they like. Me? I love his mainstream work and his more offbeat work. I just don't see how you can say he writes only for himself when there are people like Des and myself who respond so strongly to what he writes. And we don't respond to it because we're confused and want to be on some Morrison bandwagon, but because we get it and enjoy it.

Go listen to Earth-2.net: The Show Episode 299, in which Dan and Mike reviewed Batman RIP. It might answer your question.

I myself I am not a hater or a lover of Grant Morrison. I read "JLA: Earth 2" and wasn't impressed by it, but I do think I will go out and read All-Star Superman soon.

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Yeah, I don't buy the argument of "Morrison's just making it complicated." I do think that Morrison has a tendency to make thinks overly convoluted and therefore cut out a portion of potential readers (the ones who won't get it), but his stuff is definitely smart, as well. It's just more in the realm of the abstract than the literal.

When Morrison's writing is just confusing for no reason, it's borderline-ridiculous. When he's doing things right, however (All-Star Supes, Arkham Asylum, etc), it's some of the best writing seen across the superhero genre, hence his cult-like following.

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There don't seem to be many moderate views on Grant Morrison. He's either legendary, or confusing and mediocre. No middle of the road. I'm taking that road, as the truth clearly lies in the middle. No, he's not Stan Lee, but he does have some good works to his name. I've read some of his work, and yes, a lot of it is very complcated. I can see how it could easily turn convoluted. Some of it is still very good, though, so he's not terrible. But, as is so often the case in comics, the truth is in the eye of the reader.

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There don't seem to be many moderate views on Grant Morrison. He's either legendary, or confusing and mediocre. No middle of the road. I'm taking that road, as the truth clearly lies in the middle. No, he's not Stan Lee, but he does have some good works to his name. I've read some of his work, and yes, a lot of it is very complcated. I can see how it could easily turn convoluted. Some of it is still very good, though, so he's not terrible. But, as is so often the case in comics, the truth is in the eye of the reader.

This. I mean, I'm definitely in the Morrison is freaking awesome camp. For that matter, going on your example, Stan Lee isn't even Stan Lee. Stan Lee hasn't really written anything great since the 70s. I prefer the Kirby side of Lee/Kirby. All in the eye of the reader.

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There don't seem to be many moderate views on Grant Morrison. He's either legendary, or confusing and mediocre. No middle of the road. I'm taking that road, as the truth clearly lies in the middle. No, he's not Stan Lee, but he does have some good works to his name. I've read some of his work, and yes, a lot of it is very complcated. I can see how it could easily turn convoluted. Some of it is still very good, though, so he's not terrible. But, as is so often the case in comics, the truth is in the eye of the reader.

This. I mean, I'm definitely in the Morrison is freaking awesome camp. For that matter, going on your example, Stan Lee isn't even Stan Lee. Stan Lee hasn't really written anything great since the 70s. I prefer the Kirby side of Lee/Kirby. All in the eye of the reader.

I'm kind of partial to Geoff Johns myself, and it's not like he's without criticisms. I try not to crap on writers other people like. That is, unless they really write crap.

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