Missy Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 [spoiler WARNING!] Darth Tyranus: As the apprentice of Yoda and later Darth Sidious, Tyranus mastered both sides of the Force and used his powers with a calm, almost dignified demeanor. Despite two-on-one odds, he was able to keep both Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker at bay. (It was also in this fight that Tyranus deftly sliced Anakin's right arm off.) However, before the battle was through, Tyranus had one more challenger; his former Jedi Master stepped from around a corner and the two dueled to a standstill. Years later he would fall at the hands of a much more powerful Anakin Skywalker, one that sought revenge for the severed arm. Obi-Wan Kenobi: While his passive manner might have fooled many into thinking he was nothing more than just another old man, Kenobi staved off many challengers, including hordes of robot troopers, Darth Maul, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Darth Vader. In the end, Obi-Wan allowed his former student to slay him so he could guide Luke Skywalker from the netherworld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I have to go with Kenobi here. The guy looked like he would be kind of hard off to beat Tyranus early on in Ep. III, but then Kenobi managed to take down Skywalker, a much more powerful sith (even though he was new to it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 ^ Agreed. Though, after looking at the results, I think I might have accidentally voted for Tyranus. (Either that, or you didn't vote, Cash.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-T Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 This fight is not even a contest. Count Dooku soundly defeated Obi-Wan in both Episodes II and III. Had Anakin not saved Obi-Wan both times, Dooku would have killed him. Kenobi fights valiantly, but he is no match for Count Dooku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Ah, but Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul, General Grievous and destroyed Darth Vader (pre-suit). While I agree that this fight would be close, it's my belief that Kenobi could take Tyranus down, especially when you consider what Cash said. Anakin/Vader killed Tyranus and Obi-Wan beat Vader, therefore Obi-Wan could beat Tyranus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James D. Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Obi-Wan gets my vote for the reasons already stated by Hash and Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarrik Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Tyranus. You should read the Ep 3 Novel, and look at it from that perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 You should also look at the list of people Obi-Wan defeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarrik Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 You should also look at the list of people Obi-Wan defeated. Tyranus not among them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 So because he didn't kill Tyranus that means he couldn't? Well, I guess I might as well cancel the rest of this tournament because Luke didn't kill Palpatine and Yoda didn't take care of Maul either. Also consider that Tyranus didn't kill Obi-Wan, so by your logic he couldn't win either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarrik Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 So because he didn't kill Tyranus that means he couldn't? Well, I guess I might as well cancel the rest of this tournament because Luke didn't kill Palpatine and Yoda didn't take care of Maul either. Also consider that Tyranus didn't kill Obi-Wan, so by your logic he couldn't win either. Your point made. I stand by my vote, though. Dooku knocked Obi-Wan out of commision twice already, and if Anakin was never there, he could have killed Obi-Wan both times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Though it's true that Tyranus knocked Obi-Wan out, take note of what Cash said: Anakin killed Tyranus and Obi-Wan destroyed Anakin. That tells me that Obi-Wan could handle Tyranus. Not saying it would be a breeze, but Kenobi could take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Cody Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Although Dooku appeared to be more powerful in Episodes II and III, I'm still voting for Obi-Wan. I think in a one on one battle with no distractions, Obi-Wan would be able to kill Tyrannus, though it would be a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Keith Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Yeah, but everytime Kenobi got into a fight with him he was either defeated or taken out of the equation. Ben may be able to defeat a lot of tough jedi's, but his win-loss record against Dooku cannot be denied, and that's with Anakin by his side part of the time. I voted for Darth Tyranus, even though it only shows two people did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarrik Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I voted for Darth Tyranus, even though it only shows two people did. Ack! Forgot to vote. My fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I voted for Darth Tyranus, even though it only shows two people did. Ack! Forgot to vote. My fault. Something seems wonky with the scoring. Either Cash never actually voted, or I accidentally voted for Tyranus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Just got back from seeing this. Either man could take each other, but I'm going w/ Tyrannus because he's the only guy to have owned Kenobi in the entire series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 ^ Agreed. Though, after looking at the results, I think I might have accidentally voted for Tyranus. (Either that, or you didn't vote, Cash.) I accidentally didn't vote. All is changed now though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Keep in mind that Kenobi was also probably having to partially look out for Anakin in those confrontations. That's a pretty big deal right there. Completely focused and in a one on one situation, Kenobi wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat DJ Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Just got back from seeing this. Either man could take each other, but I'm going w/ Tyrannus because he's the only guy to have owned Kenobi in the entire series. CoughVadercough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Just got back from seeing this. Either man could take each other, but I'm going w/ Tyrannus because he's the only guy to have owned Kenobi in the entire series. CoughVadercough. When did Vader ever "own" Obi-Wan? If I recall correctly, Obi-Wan was the one to walk away with all of his limbs. And if we're talking about the original trilogy, Obi-Wan let himself die so he could guide Luke from the afterlife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-T Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Anakin/Vader killed Tyranus and Obi-Wan beat Vader, therefore Obi-Wan could beat Tyranus. Except that Dooku already proved he could beat Kenobi. Twice. With Anakin helping Kenobi. Yes, Vader killed Dooku and Kenobi dismembered and torched Vader, but let me use a sports analogy. For whatever reason, the New England Patriots just own the Indianapolis Colts. But that doesn't mean the Patriots will automatically beat any team the Colts can beat. Another team might have the exact personnel needed at the right positions to take New England apart, but can't get it done against Indianapolis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Marv Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Obi Wan. Though Tyranus technically defeated him twice, there were strange circumstances in both instances. In the first fight, he had no idea the depth of Tyranus' power, and Anakin refused to obey his orders. In the second battle, Obi Wan wasn't actually there for Dooku and Sidious' involvement in the battle cannot be underestimated. Plus, luck was with Tyranus in a major way in the second battle. I think in a one on one battle with each knowing that they were going to meet prior to the engagement, Kenobi would take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genet Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Well in Episode 2 Dooku defeated Anakin twice. The first time he knocked him back with Force lightning and probably could have killed him if Obi wan hadn't saved him and the second time was when he got his arm chopped off but Yada saved both Obi wan and Anakin. Honestly I don't think that Obi could match Dookus powers or knowledge of the force but I do think he could come close to matching up with him in a one on one battle. I could see Obi wan winning if he battled Dooku with as much raw emotion that he battled Anakin with but if Dooku had even the tiniest way of getting the advantage then Dooku wins. To close to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Just got back from seeing this. Either man could take each other, but I'm going w/ Tyrannus because he's the only guy to have owned Kenobi in the entire series. CoughVadercough. Kenobi voluntarily let himself be hacked down by Vader. Thus my argument remains intact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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