Missy Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Darth Sidious: Though no one realized it until it was too late, the former Senator was actually a Sith Lord who used both his Force and political powers to instigate a war that led to his complete control of the entire galaxy. Along the way Palpatine took several Jedi under his wing, including the men later known as Darth Maul, Tyranus and Vader, and trained them in the ways of the dark side of the Force. While he rarely outwardly used his skills, Palpatine had a masterful grasp of the dreaded Force Lightning, decent lightsaber skills and foresight like none other. With Darth Vader at his side, Emperor Palpatine ruled with an iron fist. When that failed and rebels began to fight back, he deployed his Death Star to obliterate one planet at a time. Luke Skywalker: Farm boy turned Jedi turned savior of the galaxy. At a time when Jedi were plentiful and democracy filled the galaxy with harmonious peace, one would have started their Jedi training before they could lace up their own boots. But when evil evenly split the dark and light sides into two, there was no one left to train Luke. Despite that, the young man eventually stumbled upon "Ben" Kenobi and began his studies. A deft pilot -- just like his father -- Luke took to his new schooling rather slowly. However, after Obi-Wan allowed himself to die at the hands of Darth Vader, he guided young Skywalker from the afterlife and helped turn him into a powerful Jedi -- one that single-handedly destroyed the first Death Star. It was then Yoda who helped complete Luke's training, teaching him to overcome his deepest fears. And though he would lose his hand in his first fight with Darth Vader, Luke redoubled his efforts, continued his training, took on Jabba the Hutt, brought down the monstrous rancor, rebuffed Emperor Palpatine's offer to join him, fought off his father and eventually saved the man's soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Marv Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 (edited) This is actually pretty tough. Luke's resolve was superhuman, and if it was a battle of willpower alone, Luke would easily prove victorious. Sidious' mastery of the force is greater, but Luke is (arguably) better at lightsaber combat. I'm actually gonna say Luke here. Though I'll probably be outvoted. Edited May 25, 2005 by J Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-T Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 The only time they met, Palpatine defeated Skywalker. That, however, was only because Palpatine took Skywalker down with a cheap shot. Going from Palpatine's epic battle with Yoda, I would say that he defeats Skywalker. Victory may cost Palpatine an arm and a leg (bad pun intended) but he manages to defeat Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James D. Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I have to believe with all Luke accomplished throughout the original trilogy that he would be able to best Sidious if he was at his pinnacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Keith Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Now this one I don't know which I'm going to vote for. Ugh, I'll have to think about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I'm really viewing these as straight up fights though and I think Sidious from Episode Three would just own Skywalker all around. Skywalker was too amaturish to know what Sidious was capable of and Sidious knew too many ways to get around Luke. Luke with the loss here. If we were talking EU Luke though... holy shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarrik Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 This one is pretty freaking hard... Seriously. Gonna need a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Luke was a major badass during Return of the Jedi (he's the one that plotted the attack on Jabba) and he really brought it to Vader, but Sidious gave Yoda a run for his money. (Though, I insist that's only because he had the high ground for the majority of their fight.) So I'm thinking Luke could beat Sidious, but not without some trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Keith Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I was just about to come in here and vote for Luke, then I read Cash's response and for some reason I now feel like rethinking my vote yet again. Gaaaah. :grumble: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Also, considering that I see this as a straight up fight to the death, I automatically see Sidious as going to the lightning pretty damn fast. Things that I pondered: 1. Control of the force: Sidious could fight with a saber and control objects at the same time. Skywalker could not. So, Luke would have to contend with a saber duel and taking care of flying objects. Not so easy considering his level. 2. Force lightning - Skywalker has never seen this and, going just off of the movies, would never have known of its existance. That's pretty damn big. Luke getting disarmed would have marked his end via lightning. Just him getting off for a second would have resulted in a single lightning strike which would have stunned him momentarily, enabling "choppy choppy" or "ZZZAP" to finish him. 3. Resolve - I think Skywalker's resolve is unmatched. All there is to it. 4. Saber fighting - Nobody will ever convince me that Sidious wasn't letting Windu win the battle. Nobody. Skywalker was good too, but Sidious was obviously hiding his skills a lot I think. I had to rule this a draw. BUT... Sidious' black hilted saber was freaking AWESOME looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 1. Control of the force: Sidious could fight with a saber and control objects at the same time. Skywalker could not. So, Luke would have to contend with a saber duel and taking care of flying objects. Not so easy considering his level. When did they ever show Sidious doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxPower Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Luke. Mace Mindu had Sidious beaten and it was only Anakins interference that lost Windu the battle. Luke and Mace are very similar I think, especially Ep VI Luke so I think Luke could definately get the goods. It would be awesome to watch though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarrik Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 As a thought, according to the Episode III Novel, Mace Windu's Lightsaber Form, called Vaapad (Form VII), the user of the form draws from deep emotions, which takes them very good to the dark side. Mace Windu was a MASTER of Vaapad, meaning he was so good at it, that the Force Lightning (a Dark Side ability) practically went through him, not harming him at all, at least while he was weilding his lightsaber like a lightning rod, and extremely focused. Mace was essentially BEATING Palpatine in their duel, but was only defeated because of Anakin's interference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Cody Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 I agree with almost everything Cash said. Windu didn't have Palpatine beat in Episode III. Sidious was simply stalling it out so Anakin could turn to the Dark Side. That's not to say that Windu couldn't beat Sidious in a straight up fight, he just didn't in Episode III. I'm voting for Sidious. In a one-on-one fight, he's just too powerful for Luke Skywalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 As a thought, according to the Episode III Novel, Mace Windu's Lightsaber Form, called Vaapad (Form VII), the user of the form draws from deep emotions, which takes them very good to the dark side. Mace Windu was a MASTER of Vaapad, meaning he was so good at it, that the Force Lightning (a Dark Side ability) practically went through him, not harming him at all, at least while he was weilding his lightsaber like a lightning rod, and extremely focused. Mace was essentially BEATING Palpatine in their duel, but was only defeated because of Anakin's interference From the discussion thread: These are the movie versions. Nothing that happens before Episode I or after Episode VI counts. You wouldn't have a clue that happened. It's not movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Actually, there's a small part of me that's willing to allow the books that take place during the time of the movies (RE: adaptations and their spinoffs, The Han Solo trilogy, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Shadows of the Empire, etc.), however, to keep this simple for the people that haven't read them, I believe it's best if we ignore the novels and comics altogether. Plus, it's all Extended Universe stuff that Lucas basically ignores anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosy_G Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 I've voted Sidious, solely due to the ending of RotJ, in which Palpatine was solidly defeating Skywalker until Vader interfered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Heat Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Um, Luke wasn't really fighting with Palpatine. He was too busy trying to convert his father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Yup. That's the only real reason Luke allowed himself to be captured and brought before the Emperor. Luke didn't care if he lived or died, all he wanted to do was free Anakin's soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean D. Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 In the EU, i know for a fact who would win.... but purely movies, i would have to Give this one to the dark lord. really fcould go either way, but Sidious just is too in tune with the force compared to Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarrik Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 As a thought, according to the Episode III Novel, Mace Windu's Lightsaber Form, called Vaapad (Form VII), the user of the form draws from deep emotions, which takes them very good to the dark side. Mace Windu was a MASTER of Vaapad, meaning he was so good at it, that the Force Lightning (a Dark Side ability) practically went through him, not harming him at all, at least while he was weilding his lightsaber like a lightning rod, and extremely focused. Mace was essentially BEATING Palpatine in their duel, but was only defeated because of Anakin's interference From the discussion thread: These are the movie versions. Nothing that happens before Episode I or after Episode VI counts. You wouldn't have a clue that happened. It's not movie. Was it a crime to mention it though? It's only the Novel Adaptation of the movie anyway... That said, I'm banking on Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Shit this is tight! Eight more hours to go and they're still tied! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cataldi Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Yup. That's the only real reason Luke allowed himself to be captured and brought before the Emperor. Luke didn't care if he lived or died, all he wanted to do was free Anakin's soul. This really makes me lean towards Luke. I've just seen Episode III (which is why I haven't been posting or voting in this tourney), so I saw the fight with Yoda and Mace. I don't really think Sidious allowed Mace to get the upper hand, first off. There wasn't any way to let Mace get the advantage without disfiguring yourself in the process? If you're THAT much better than Mace that you think you can play around with him until Anakin shows up, and then look vulnerable, I'd think you'd come up with a better way than that. The Yoda fight, he had the high ground as Yoda said, and Yoda kinda gave up, if you ask me. I'm going with Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Keith Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Shit this is tight! Eight more hours to go and they're still tied! Waait, so my vote actually matters?! As if I wasn't pressured enough . -edit-I went with the darkside on this one, Sidious barely gets my vote. -edit yet again-And apparently my vote didn't count. Well hell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted May 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Well, Luke's taken a slight lead since I posted that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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