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I voted for Luthor because his arrogance got in the way of his leadership skills in "Injustice For All", because he didn't kill Batman when he had the chance, and because he put too much time into the futile task of resurrecting Brainiac over going directly after the League. Plus, Grodd actually succeeded in bringing down six members of the League and putting them at his mercy in "Secret Society." Even so, Luthor is right to deride his master plan.
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I decided to make this poll since the episode "Secret Society", another supervillain-teamup episode, is coming up.
CANDIDATE HISTORIES (SPOILERS):
-Lex Luthor formed the Injustice Gang, a group of mostly C-list supervillains against the Justice League. He nearly provoked a mutiny among them which he only prevented by eventually tripling their pay. The team was eventually thwarted by the League (Injustice For All) He later joined Gorilla Grodd's expanded Secret Society and usurped Grodd as its leader after the latter tried to turn humanity into apes (Dead Reckoning). He then wasted a good deal of his time as leader trying to resurrect Brainiac. Eventually, Tala broke Grodd free and the gorilla led a mutiny against Luthor. However, Luthor and his allies eventually prevailed and he strapped Tala to a machine to bring Brainiac back to life. Unfortunately, she brought back someone much deadly...(Alive!)
-Gorilla Grodd founded the Secret Society, another band of supervillains tasked with defeating the League. After a stalemate between the two teams, Grodd brought about the breakup of the League, and once divided, was able to take all of them captive. He was about to execute the League before a football stadium, when J'onn J'onzz freed his teammates, and the League crushed the Secret Society (Secret Society). Much later, Grodd formed a much larger Secret Society and eventually unveiled his master plan: To turn all humans into gorillas. When this failed, Luthor dethroned and imprisoned him. (Dead Reckoning) Later, Tala released him and he led a mutiny against Luthor, only to be shot out into space and have his minions executed by Killer Frost (Alive!)
Based on these, which of the two masterminds was the worse leader?
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you should devote an episode to ragging on Jeph Loeb in the similar vein as your ones on Alex Ross and Bendis
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As far as the opening scene goes, it doesn't matter to me that it wasn't suspenseful. The conversation between Luthor and Superman, the shot of Superman with his eyes glowing, and his reaction to having just fried Luthor, that whole scene is great to me, regardless of if it's happening on "our" Earth or not.
It is a good scene, but it didn't capture the suspense they were going for. And that's why it doesn't work for me. I mean, right from the start we know this isn't our world, so there's no consequences behind it.
As for Doomsday, when he lands your immediate thought is "Oh SHIT!" because this is the guy who killed Superman. You're thinking what's going to happen next, they can't kill Superman can they? And then instead of a Superman dying, a Superman straight up lobotomizes Doomsday. That was brilliant IMO.Me, when I saw him, my thought was, "Why's Doomsday in this?" And then I realized it was just to job him out. The monster that killed Superman was taken out in the blink of an eye. On top of that, having an alternate reality Superman (with the same powers, mind you) destroy Doomsday makes (comic book and Justice League) Superman look weak in comparison.
As far as the Justice Lords' turn from part 1 to part 2, I can buy it. For the past couple of years, they've had their Earth pretty much under their control. True, their intentions are good, but it's still become about controlling and "protecting" the people. Then they become aware of the Justice League, and while at first they try to help them prevent what's happened to them from happening to their counterparts, they quickly lose control of the situation as the League actually poses a challenge to them. Losing control wouldn't exactly sit right with them considering the state of mind they're in. Also, I think that after a couple years of their program, they've slowly been corrupted more and more from wanting to protect, to wanting to maintain the power they now have now that they have a taste. I can see them being so far gone that they might even resort to murder, as they're clearly not the heroes they used to be or want to think they still are.If they want to maintain control of their world, why bother messing around with another one? That only diverts their attention away from problems at home.
I accept that the Lords kill, but it was the way they went from attempting to aid the League to wanting to murder them that bothered me. I didn't feel there was enough of a build up.
Finally, I'd still like to know why the sudden change of heart when it comes to bringing the future into the analysis of the episode, because you and James most certainly did take it into account when reviewing Ghost in The Machine. It's a bit unfair to allow it in one episode, but wave it off in another, especially when this is much more of a laying seeds than Ghost in The Machine was.It's one thing if they were clearly laying the groundwork for something later on, such as with the Hawkgirl / Green Lantern relationship, but this was a happy accident. Do I give them credit for coming back to this well? Oh yes! But giving it extra points just didn't seem right to me, mostly because what spun out of this later wasn't initially intended. Should we have done that with Ghost in the Machine? Looking back, I don't think so.
If I recall correctly, you gave "Speed Demons" an extra point because, in retrospect, it expanded the DCAU since it introduced the Flash (and the Weather Wizard; groan...), but the producers had no way of knowing they'd be able to use (a) Flash again; why no extra point for this episode, then, which, whether Timm & Co. knew it or not, set up the Cadmus arc that dominated the first two seasons of JLU? Or did you give it a four plus the one point for seed-planting?
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Re: Mike's reaction to A Better World:
my thoughts exactly
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Within a week, but I can't name a date yet. Other podcasting commitments have to come first.
ok; btw, Vandal Savage IS prince, rather than king, because he's a commoner. If he was the son of the king, he'd become king.
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Now to get to work editing episode 75.
oooo...when can we expect that?
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Vandal Savage makes his return and threatens the world with a railgun ("Maid of Honor"). Meanwhile, Despero attempts to take control of the galaxy by using the Flame of Py'tar ("Hearts and Minds"). Then the Justice League meets their alternate reality counterparts, the Justice Lords ("A Better World"). [ 1:39:11 || 45.4 MB ]
The above is from: http://www.worldsfinestpodcast.com/episodes/wfp_074.mp3
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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For any WFP listeners who also listen to For Your Ears Only, according to Wikipedia, Specs and Trapper were based on Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd, the gay hitmen from Diamonds Are Forever.
mea culpa
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Also, there's a character coming up in an episode of JL you'll cover soon who could be interpreted as homosexual based upon his depiction in that episode
Who's that?
Kragger, the bearded Thanagarian commander that J'onn goes into the mind of in "Starcrossed" (see http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Kragger under "Inner Desires")
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Yeah, I think I did. Either that, or it was in an e-mail.
If that were the case, it would lend credence to your theory that they were gay, if "I have all the colors of the rainbow, Static!" didn't confirm it. Also, there's a character coming up in an episode of JL you'll cover soon who could be interpreted as homosexual based upon his depiction in that episode (not comically, as in the case of the Rainbow Warriors).
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For any WFP listeners who also listen to For Your Ears Only, according to Wikipedia, Specs and Trapper were based on Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd, the gay hitmen from Diamonds Are Forever.
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Regarding "Toys in the Hood", it makes "War World" look like a masterpiece.
When comparing shows within the DCAU as far as worst episode I would agree with you. However War World is easily the worst episode within JL/JLU. At least Seasons 1-2.
I actually dislike "...In Blackest Night" and "Metamorphosis" more than "War World", but I can definitely see where you're coming from; nothing worthy of anything less than a 3 comes to mind regarding the rest of Justice League, although James apparently hates "Hearts and Minds"--can't wait to learn why. As for JLU, there are some weak ones I can think of (Hawk and Dove, Hunter's Moon, Chaos at the Earth's Core) but nothing too terrible
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In the wrap-up episode, it's going to be interesting if Toys in the Hood or The Terrible Trio comes out as the worst episode of the entire DCAU since I don't think there's anything from this point on that borders on those two.
don't forget "Hoop Squad"; and knowing the hosts they'll find something to rant about from the otherwise fantastic Teen Titans and Justice League Unlimited--maybe not something zero-worthy but still bad
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Out of morbid curiosity, I saw "Toys in the Hood" (with "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" afterwords as a sort of palette-cleanser) and the clip of Specs introducing himself is Spectral. The latter was even worse than I had thought because of the retarded way Patton Oswalt delivered the word "Spectral". It was said in a completely different tone and speed as the rest of the sentence, as though it was taken from another sound clip. Watch it again to see what I mean.
Regarding "Toys in the Hood", it makes "War World" look like a masterpiece. I noticed that WFP didn't mention is that at one point Toyman grabs on to Static during the episode, adding to the cringe-worthy creepiness.
These are just minor observations that make the episodes even worse.
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I still say it's Mr. Fixx.
Either that or the Jokerz gang as a whole.
Mr. Fixx only appears in one episode and the Jokerz were worthless (unless it was Terminal or one of the Jokerz the Joker hired); if not the Joker, then maybe Stalker: He is to Terry what Bane was to Bruce Wayne; btw who do you guys think was the worst villain in that series? I nominate Patrick the Ratboy
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Watching more Batman Beyond... and I am trying to think of which of Terry's Rogue's would be his true mortal enemy like the joker is to Bruce. Anyone have any thoughts?
I'd put Inque in the running since Terry never really caught her.
I think Blight would have been his arch-nemesis had he not been killed off in "Ascension", so I'd have to say the Joker during what little time he was back on the scene. Terry inherits not only Bruce's mantel as Batman but also his mortal enemy.
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Isn't Batman saying "I'd trust J'onn with my life" in "A Knight of Shadows" rather out of character? I'd have thought Alfred was the only one he'd trust with his life, and even then, I don't think he'd admit it.