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How else can you spread a message of hate effectively?

Well, this thread does exist to speculate at this stage, but yes, the point has been made.

I'm just going to say my peace. I'm not impressed with what I've seen or heard from this. Then again, I haven't seen any footage yet. It may be good. It may be bad. Clearly, it is too early to tell. I am not hating on this. I am waiting to see. People were making their comments about The Dark Knight Rises before they'd seen anything of it, too. That is all I am doing here. That some people like the Adam West Batman apparently is some kind of sticking point. I don't like it, but I recognize that a lot of people do. Again, it is not hate, any more than it is to call a movie bad to someone who liked it. For the record, I want to be wrong. I want this to be good. I'm not convinced that it will be yet, but maybe it will.

I don't want to take that away from others. I just think it's needlessly silly.

Look, I'm not trying to get people upset or start fights. If I did that somehow, I'm sorry.

Forget that. I'm stuck with slow internet that makes me double post for some reason.

It's not hate. All that happened is that I said I didn't think this looked all that good. Half a dozen people jumped over it. That's all that happened.

Yeesh, Des, why all the hate? All I've said is, from what I've seen and heard, this doesn't look impressive. I already admitted that this isn't necessarily geared toward me. I know that. But why I am so unreasonable for having that opinion?

It doesn't mean I have to pretend crap is filet mignon either.

Umm, I'm not tearing this down. I'm saying it doesn't sound like a good idea. Those are different things.

How can you not say that it hurt comics? To this day, comics still have the stigma of "kids stuff", and nothing is more responsible for that than that awful show. Were comics campy then? Sure. But they weren't on TV. This was.

Got this from Forbes.

You have got to be kidding. That show was TERRIBLE.

He absolutely did. I never used computers, and then I got a Mac. Today, we're all Macs.

I can understand why you might disagree, but I stand by my words. Just looking at the sheer number of podcasts from this site that go to itunes says a lot. Neither Itunes or pocasts would exist had he not pioneered it. He didn't invent the light bulb, but he did reinvent it in a very real way.

I've seen Superdickery, so I know that it was campier in the '50s. The difference is the size of the audience. A lot more people watched that awful TV show than ever watched the comics. That is why it was so damaging to the genre as a whole. And assuming that other shows would make less is an excuse. Again, Teen Titans wasn't exactly a failure.

For what it's worth, here's why I'm big on the "Batmant can be anything you want him to be" idea. It's true that he hasn't always been the BTAS guy, or the Frank Miller badass. But when one considers the incalculable damage that the Adam West show did for all of comics, I don't like seeing any comic book hero, let alone Batman being portrayed as camp. The ability to portray Batman multiple ways has given new perspective on the character, and that's a good thing. The flip side to that is that it also gives people the excuse to crap on his character, as it was done with Batman Forever, and Batman and Robin.

I can't argue with what you're saying. I have to agree. I loved BTAS and Gotham Knights, but after the subsequent Batman titles that followed it, and this new one, I'm suffering from Batman fatigue. Then again, I'm not seven.

So, you would come off the heels of the release of The Dark Knight Rises on DVD/Blu-Ray and you wouldn't have any other Batman shows on TV and products to merchandise? That only works if the show is good. This one looks like it's trying too hard.

I still think it would make sense to give it at least a year or two for people to get a break from Batman before draining the well again.

That's pretty much what I think. I'm not saying that this doesn't have the chance to be good. Honestly, it kind of looks like crap from what I've heard, but I'll admit I could be wrong. Still, a brief break from the sheer saturation we've been getting from Batman series could make us appreciate the next one more.

All things considered, he has to be one of the most innovative geniuses in several generations.

You could make the same argument for Superman. Why is it not a crime not to have a Superman show on the air? Don't kids deserve to grow up watching that?

I hate that sentiment. Batman: The Animated Series was a great cartoon, no question. But it isn't the be all end all of Batman. There's no reason there shouldn't be new Batman cartoons just because of BTAS, especially when those cartoons take an approach different or completely opposite from it. And besides the shows featuring other heroes listed above, look at how many superheroes were on Batman: Brave and The Bold, that were given prominent roles over the course of that cartoon. Sure it had Batman in it, but so much of the DC Universe was introduced to people who might have only known about Batman. Didn't say it was the be all end all. But I do think it was the best, both in characterization and in concept. I'm not saying don't ever do Batman again. I'm saying why do Batman again, when there are other routes you could take?