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I'm sorry, I just hallucinated. What?

In that case, Superman Returns. Stalkers can be sexy if they fly. :angel: Plus, I found Clark to be genuinely sweet.

I've seen certain episodes of JLA but I just discovered a playlist on youtube that has almost all the episodes... So, I'm watching, JLU. From the beginning. PS. I saw a few clips of Birds of Prey on YouTube, and they seemed pretty abysmal. I don't think Mark Hamill's voice fits a real-life Joker the way it elevated the animated Joker. Interesting dichotomy, but doesn't work for me, personally. The prologue felt little fan-made, like that grayson trailer on Youtube. The actress who plays Helena Wayne looked the part. Wish I could say the same about her acting!

Yes, to Talia Head. "R'as" = Head. Hm, big change. Right, except afterwards, in "Death and the Maidens," Talia accepts her role as Demon Spawn and disavows her love for Bruce Wayne AGAIN.

I sent an email about this to J&M in Ep 35. I think that's left up to interpretation, but if you read Hush, she doesn't recoil when she finds out that Batman is Bruce Wayne. In BTAS, Talia meets Batman and immediately unmasks him to find out that he is Bruce Wayne. Selina never got that chance. I don't know if Talia would care if Bruce is rich, but in BTAS, Selina was definitely not attracted to his money. There is no proof of this. Selina has never run off after Batman gave into his desires (Can you explain more what you mean by "giving into his desires?") Anyhow, she definitely didn't run away when he finally takes off his mask. The only real man in Talia's life is Ras. He is her beginning and her end, literally and figuratively. She will never betray her father, but she will betray Bruce. Selina's only loyalty is to herself, but though she puts on a tough extierior, she's actually with a thief with a heart of gold. She would never betray Bruce and hurt him the way Talia has. I think he's capable of a life as normal as he can get if he were Bat-Bruce all the time with Selina. A move into Wayne manor wouldn't hurt. Even Alfred is quite fond of her I like Andrea Beaumont (personality, smarts, class). However, she came into the picture pre-Batman and rescued him early on. His choice in women changed after Andrea. He's no longer hopeful or innocent; he worked for a cause and that was his life. Selina was the only woman to whom Bruce admitted he might have felt as strongly towards as he did Andrea: "I haven't felt this way about someone in a long...long time."(Cat & Claw, BTAS) In my opinion, Batman secretly likes the dark side that she brings out in him. He gets playful, witty, and a bit confused and lenient (BTAS and comics). He is always the straight man with Talia, and that could get quite boring, even for Batman. Cat/bat banter, on the other hand: meow. Don't put any ideas in Frank Miller's head!

She's not more accessible, but she is more loyal. And considering that cats can't be trained to be loyal, that says a lot. That said, I really dislike how Selina is portrayed as a cold-hearted b*tch in BTNAS. The Catwoman from the DC comic teases Batman, but would never seduce Nightwing and try to screw up their relationship. That is beneath her. I'll give Talia credit for helping Selina out in Hush. However, she did this for two reasons -- One: if Talia left Selina for dead at the hands of an SUPER ASSASSIN sent by her FATHER, there would be an ANGRY Bat. And she wouldn't want to make Batman angry. Two: leaving Selina for dead would make Talia look like a "lesser" woman. Being her father's daughter, and inheriting his hubris, she would never let her "Beloved" think less of her forever. Selina's not stealing anymore. She's working hand in hand with Batman. (Detective Comics #845) I don't know Selina's religious stance, but I think the cessation of her stealing is good enough. "Selina and Bruce are connected on some fundamental level. She is the yang to his yin, the light to his darkness. She is the thing that will keep Bruce human and the Batman a thing of good, because well, he can be a tight-ass. He is the rock and moral certainty to her confusion and internal conflict, the intellect and stoic to her emotions and sensuality. It isn't that the two of them are dependent on the other, it is just that, these two pieces fit together perfectly. They could (and do) have a life without the other, but they would never really be happy." -- Ben Russell-Gough On a side note, Helena Wayne is back. JSoA Annual #1. Damien better watch his back.

DW, you are darling. But I do prefer purple leather, myself:

I emailed J & M about this in Episode 35. Give it a listen if you haven't already. With the a 1000 yr old Demon as her father who's tried repeatedly to kill Batman. Just like Mary-Jane. I know you don't mean unconditionally. She probably can't because she doesn't know how. And Selina is...a bologna sandwich? Batman doesn't want to be part of the League of Shadows. He's Batman. He knows Ras wants him to be his pawn, and Batman wouldn't be anybody's pawn. The leader of the League of Shadows is crazy. They've been touched by the crazy, and influenced by the crazy. Bruce, though sometimes bat-sh*t crazy, is not that kind of crazy. The League of Shadows has, no doubt, broken the law before. Batman IS the law. The League of Shadows will go to any end to achieve the means. Batman, despite everything, will not. Bruce doesn't need the League when Nightwing, Robin, Oracle, Huntress, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, J'onn, and the rest of the entire Justice League, people who he knows and trusts, have his back. Besides, Ras will never die. Even in S:TAS, he still wants to live forever. How will Batman know he will be given "The Mantle," if Ras refuses to die? He doesn't. Ras is not to be trusted. Batman out. “Damnit Quinn,” Catwoman broke in, “you used to be a psychiatrist. You ever hear the AA definition of insanity: It’s doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. How many times are you going to go back ‘cause that psychotic loon says he loves you, only to have him try and kill you all over again.” The subtext was inescapable. But Batman had no time to ponder the ironies of Selina speaking these words while he had Talia blowing on his neck talking about her need for his protection from her father… Just how many times had Talia betrayed him while all the while proclaiming her love? For that matter, how many times had Catwoman fought along side him – rescued him even – while they were ostensibly still enemies? When the chips were down, the one woman could be counted on to stand by him as surely as the other would betray him. *** “Talia is Lucy,” he explained. “Bruce is Charlie Brown. Every time she comes around she swears she’ll hold that football in place, and every time he falls for it and believes she’d left Ra’s and is ready to start a new life …WHOOSH…Oh Good Grief!” Selina looked at him like a kitten that’d been stuck on a fire escape in the rain until four in the morning. She did not see the funny. Okay, so much for lightening the mood, Dick thought. “You have any pet analogies about me, kiddo?” she asked softly. -- Chris Dee That just about sums up what I think of Bruce & Talia. James, you really are the face of sarcasm.

Oh. My. God. I have to get back to this later. I have some claw-sharpening to do.

Lol, that would be fun. I am not a HUGE Superman fan, though I like him ;-) Maybe I'll do one, just for you.

NOOO, not Cat Scratch Fever, please don't remind AHHHHHH!!! I know this episode in general sucks, but there are a few things I like about it. For example, Selina wasn't the cold-hearted thief that she was depicted as later on. Her caring for animals (and Batman's for that matter) was sweet. I get the "gag-me" factor of Batman chasing after Selina chasing after 2 goons, but I can also see it as Batman's need to avenge/protect Selina. Remember in the Cat & the Claw, Bruce walked Selina to her door after their interrupted date and offered her his help (whilst blushing). He said, "if there's anything you need... I'm sorry, I just haven't felt this way about someone in a long, long time. (Hello Andrea reference!)" I think that besides his inherent nature for "justice," Batman wants to be the one to save Selina, especially because she refuses his help. It's a power-struggle, and that's part of what makes their relationship interesting. I am, by no means, excusing all the terrible cat-puns and the dumb villains in this episode. I am saying that when Batman delivered Isis to Selina's window, he mistook himself for someone else. That was something Bruce, not Batman, would do. Batman delivers criminals dressed in skull shirts to Commissioner Gordon's window, not kitties. Maybe that was Batman's slip. Maybe he can be not so dark, brooding, and dry when it comes to Catwoman.

Circe or Silvana. That is, if you like the Odyssey. Silvana Mangano plays Circe in Ulysses, the movie. And if you want a boy scout name -- I always liked Jonathan. Sometimes, the classics works just fine.

What do you mean, dear Deaux? Do you have actual pictures that exemplify why you're the face of sarcasm?

Thank you! And I love how you're the face of sarcasm

Not just a positive review. That's a *great* review, Mxy. Working Through Pain was, by far, my favorite.

I agree. Mad Love left me in complete disgust of the Joker. He was nothing but an abusive bf, and that's all. Where was the manipulating? The cooing and trickery involved to get this woman to fall head over heals for him? There had to have be something sweet that he's done to Harley...Something he's said that mentally and physically broke her. Joker should have MUCH more to him than a "My dad beat me" story. He's smarter, more cunning, and wittier than that. From this episode, I felt like I got 20 minutes of Harley getting smacked around... I know you all hated Joker's Millions, but the end of that was gratifying. Joker was human -- he got scared of his girlfriend. If nothing else makes sense in the world, that should.

:laugh: Invinci-hookers! Sorry

I know I'm joining this discussion late, but I finished listening to the New Frontier podcast and felt compelled to comment. But first, let's talk Sin City. Having not known who Frank Miller was, I remember really enjoying the movie when it first came out. It was funny, ironic, stylish, in the the Kill Bill kind of way. I actually remember thinking Miller must have been brilliant when I came out of the theatre, until I read All-Star Batman & Robin and realized he was either trying to be silly or just plain delusional. Besides his "turn-Batman-into-an-asshole-child-torturer" twist, his portrayal of women have been terrible. Wonder Woman, Black Canary, Selina Kyle...If I did not believe him to be a talented writer, I'd be appalled. But I'm taking it with a grain of salt. I think it was Tim Sale who said he'd want Catwoman in the next Batman film, "But god, I hope not as Frank Miller’s version of her as a prostitute. That’s the worst part of ‘Year One.’ That’s just Frank trying to be outrageous. It didn’t ring remotely true to me.” I feel the same. The shock value just isn't worth it. Nevertheless, I did enjoy Sin City, having known nothing about the characters or that it was even a comic book before hand. I think The Spirit looks to be made in the same way, with the black and white and the clipped writing, and I'll watch it because it looks cool. In fact, I often wish Nolan's Gotham could feel more like the comics and more like Gotham in general. But I'll save that for your TDK review, boys Back to New Frontier: My sister and I laughed really hard when we saw how Batman changed his cowl. Wow. Batman kicking ass: not surprising. Batman swinging his dick around: not surprising. Batman with moon-eyes: LOL. I was really tentative about the voice of Batman because *gasp*, it's not Conroy, but I got over it quickly. Jeremy Sisto was GREAT. Kind of quiet, kind of deep, kind of mature, kind of smart, kind of psychic. I think it's so funny you guys say Batman is psychic, because I honestly believe DC thinks he is. My only gripe with his voice was that it sounded like "My instincts tell me you AREN'T to be trusted" as opposed to "My instincts tell me you ARE to be trusted." But that's more of a pronunciation thing, and it took little away from the overall effect. I noticed his body was not like the 1939 Bob Kane drawing of him -- he was much too muscular for that, especially the quads. It was fine, as I took everything pseudo-seriously here, considering the style and era of this movie. I didn't even mind that Batman had such little screen time. Though, they really could have put Green Lantern (What? He's white!?) and J'onn on the cover instead. I also noticed Bruce and Selina in the Mr. Freeze scene for a moment, and they looked really good. I was most impressed with how Superman had more personality and power in this movie. I rarely watch S:TAS, but when I do, I never felt there was much threat in his "boy scout" character but physical strength. In this movie, the "Thunder Clap" woke me up from my coma. My sister and I looked at each other and said, "Damn. Superman is hot here." Which is rare, because Batman is hot all the time (Youtube: "Batman is Awesome"). I thought Wonder Woman here looked much closer to how I always imagined her as compared to Wonder Woman in JLU. I had no idea that Doogie Houser was Flash, but he and Flash go together like peanut butter and jelly. I also liked how Flash felt more important than he did in JLU here. Nice change. Great review guys -- I love listening to how the little things you picked up, like the boy with the IRONS shirt, and I really enjoy hearing about how it REALLY happened in the comics. You guys bring out my inner inner geek, and I love that. He also has great chemistry with Buffy in that "I hate you but I love you" kind of way, which makes everytime she kicks his ass interesting ;-) I'm not a huge buffy fan, but I do agree: Spike is awesome.

Dogma (Anywhere, anytime, it's funny) Interview with the Vampire (Once I start, I can't stop) Batman Returns (I've been told I shouldn't like it, but I can't give a f*) Lolita (with Jeremy Irons) How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days (Yes, I'm serious)

I just took the "Which Superhero are you" test and it's still Catwoman. Catwoman 70% Hulk 70% Wonder Woman 65% Green Lantern 60% Supergirl 55% The Flash 55% Spider-Man 50% Batman 50% Robin 42% Superman 40% Iron Man 30% That doesn't make much sense, since she's an anti-hero... For anyone else who wants to take it (and I apologize if it's somewhere in these forums already) Superhero Quiz

LOL. I had the same reaction. They passed out free RIP (and Spiderman) issues at the IMAX showing of TDK that I saw. Besides some nice artwork, it didn't draw me in.

Hm, no responses yet. Interesting... I like it. I don't feel that the art is as comparable to Jim Lee's Hush, and the storyline does feel rushed, but I am eager to read on (out of nostalgia for the old Hush, or more Bruce/Selina interaction, or maybe both). I think there's a lot of story to tell, so hopefully they spend some necessary time on it developing the plot. The inclusion of all Bat-Villains is not as important as depth of story plot to me. For example, I was much more moved by Gotham Knight's "Working Through Pain" than "Deadshot," which was more action. I like in-depth looks into Bruce Wayne's psyche, and I think Hush, though a fun story arc, can do a decent job exploring that while being entertaining. So far, I'm glad to see that Selina has a chance at canceling out Jezebel Jet. Most definitely....

:happy: I swear, I answered them honestly!

Me too (but you didn't care for Catwoman's voice, right?)