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Joe Chill killed Bruce's parents. Period. Adding the bit about Corben doing it would have made the shitstorm even bigger. Apparently, they're doing a sequel of it [shudder]

Isn't Batman saying "I'd trust J'onn with my life" in "A Knight of Shadows" rather out of character? I'd have thought Alfred was the only one he'd trust with his life, and even then, I don't think he'd admit it.

I voted for Luthor because his arrogance got in the way of his leadership skills in "Injustice For All", because he didn't kill Batman when he had the chance, and because he put too much time into the futile task of resurrecting Brainiac over going directly after the League. Plus, Grodd actually succeeded in bringing down six members of the League and putting them at his mercy in "Secret Society." Even so, Luthor is right to deride his master plan.

I decided to make this poll since the episode "Secret Society", another supervillain-teamup episode, is coming up. CANDIDATE HISTORIES (SPOILERS): -Lex Luthor formed the Injustice Gang, a group of mostly C-list supervillains against the Justice League. He nearly provoked a mutiny among them which he only prevented by eventually tripling their pay. The team was eventually thwarted by the League (Injustice For All) He later joined Gorilla Grodd's expanded Secret Society and usurped Grodd as its leader after the latter tried to turn humanity into apes (Dead Reckoning). He then wasted a good deal of his time as leader trying to resurrect Brainiac. Eventually, Tala broke Grodd free and the gorilla led a mutiny against Luthor. However, Luthor and his allies eventually prevailed and he strapped Tala to a machine to bring Brainiac back to life. Unfortunately, she brought back someone much deadly...(Alive!) -Gorilla Grodd founded the Secret Society, another band of supervillains tasked with defeating the League. After a stalemate between the two teams, Grodd brought about the breakup of the League, and once divided, was able to take all of them captive. He was about to execute the League before a football stadium, when J'onn J'onzz freed his teammates, and the League crushed the Secret Society (Secret Society). Much later, Grodd formed a much larger Secret Society and eventually unveiled his master plan: To turn all humans into gorillas. When this failed, Luthor dethroned and imprisoned him. (Dead Reckoning) Later, Tala released him and he led a mutiny against Luthor, only to be shot out into space and have his minions executed by Killer Frost (Alive!) Based on these, which of the two masterminds was the worse leader?

you should devote an episode to ragging on Jeph Loeb in the similar vein as your ones on Alex Ross and Bendis

It is a good scene, but it didn't capture the suspense they were going for. And that's why it doesn't work for me. I mean, right from the start we know this isn't our world, so there's no consequences behind it. Me, when I saw him, my thought was, "Why's Doomsday in this?" And then I realized it was just to job him out. The monster that killed Superman was taken out in the blink of an eye. On top of that, having an alternate reality Superman (with the same powers, mind you) destroy Doomsday makes (comic book and Justice League) Superman look weak in comparison. If they want to maintain control of their world, why bother messing around with another one? That only diverts their attention away from problems at home. I accept that the Lords kill, but it was the way they went from attempting to aid the League to wanting to murder them that bothered me. I didn't feel there was enough of a build up. It's one thing if they were clearly laying the groundwork for something later on, such as with the Hawkgirl / Green Lantern relationship, but this was a happy accident. Do I give them credit for coming back to this well? Oh yes! But giving it extra points just didn't seem right to me, mostly because what spun out of this later wasn't initially intended. Should we have done that with Ghost in the Machine? Looking back, I don't think so. If I recall correctly, you gave "Speed Demons" an extra point because, in retrospect, it expanded the DCAU since it introduced the Flash (and the Weather Wizard; groan...), but the producers had no way of knowing they'd be able to use (a) Flash again; why no extra point for this episode, then, which, whether Timm & Co. knew it or not, set up the Cadmus arc that dominated the first two seasons of JLU? Or did you give it a four plus the one point for seed-planting?

my thoughts exactly

ok; btw, Vandal Savage IS prince, rather than king, because he's a commoner. If he was the son of the king, he'd become king.

oooo...when can we expect that?

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

*ahem*. mea culpa

Who's that? Kragger, the bearded Thanagarian commander that J'onn goes into the mind of in "Starcrossed" (see http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Kragger under "Inner Desires")

If that were the case, it would lend credence to your theory that they were gay, if "I have all the colors of the rainbow, Static!" didn't confirm it. Also, there's a character coming up in an episode of JL you'll cover soon who could be interpreted as homosexual based upon his depiction in that episode (not comically, as in the case of the Rainbow Warriors).

For any WFP listeners who also listen to For Your Ears Only, according to Wikipedia, Specs and Trapper were based on Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd, the gay hitmen from Diamonds Are Forever.

When comparing shows within the DCAU as far as worst episode I would agree with you. However War World is easily the worst episode within JL/JLU. At least Seasons 1-2. I actually dislike "...In Blackest Night" and "Metamorphosis" more than "War World", but I can definitely see where you're coming from; nothing worthy of anything less than a 3 comes to mind regarding the rest of Justice League, although James apparently hates "Hearts and Minds"--can't wait to learn why. As for JLU, there are some weak ones I can think of (Hawk and Dove, Hunter's Moon, Chaos at the Earth's Core) but nothing too terrible

don't forget "Hoop Squad"; and knowing the hosts they'll find something to rant about from the otherwise fantastic Teen Titans and Justice League Unlimited--maybe not something zero-worthy but still bad

Out of morbid curiosity, I saw "Toys in the Hood" (with "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" afterwords as a sort of palette-cleanser) and the clip of Specs introducing himself is Spectral. The latter was even worse than I had thought because of the retarded way Patton Oswalt delivered the word "Spectral". It was said in a completely different tone and speed as the rest of the sentence, as though it was taken from another sound clip. Watch it again to see what I mean. Regarding "Toys in the Hood", it makes "War World" look like a masterpiece. I noticed that WFP didn't mention is that at one point Toyman grabs on to Static during the episode, adding to the cringe-worthy creepiness. These are just minor observations that make the episodes even worse.

Mr. Fixx only appears in one episode and the Jokerz were worthless (unless it was Terminal or one of the Jokerz the Joker hired); if not the Joker, then maybe Stalker: He is to Terry what Bane was to Bruce Wayne; btw who do you guys think was the worst villain in that series? I nominate Patrick the Ratboy

I think Blight would have been his arch-nemesis had he not been killed off in "Ascension", so I'd have to say the Joker during what little time he was back on the scene. Terry inherits not only Bruce's mantel as Batman but also his mortal enemy.