Missy Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 When you think of the Confederate flag, what comes to mind first: the Civil War/slavery/racism or the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 None of the above. The Confederate States of America are the first thing that come to mind for me. Not something that was formed under the guise of racism, but something that was opposing stupid tarrifs being sent down from people who didn't understand the damage they were causing. In terms of causes for the formation of the CSA: Tarrifs > Slavery Slavery was used as a huge rallying point for the North. Most people there didn't care until they heard about the HORRIBLE Southern slave owners. Little did they know that the majority of slave owners in the South were extremely wealthy and treated the slaves pretty well. Another funny thing about the Civil War? Emancipation Proclaimation... Unconstitutional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted December 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Another funny thing about the Civil War? Emancipation Proclaimation... Unconstitutional. I know so very little about history (which is sad, 'cause I actually enjoy the subject), so please explain this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.Logan Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Little did they know that the majority of slave owners in the South were extremely wealthy and treated the slaves pretty well. Well, except for the whole being owned by your common man, and having no human rights. A well treated slave is still a slave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 From the little I've covered on slavery on the American Studies part of my course, I'm well aware that the Civil War was not fought primarily over the "ideal" of slavery and it's abolition. I don't feel qualified to pass judgment on it yet as we've barely touched on that side of the course, but the North/South divide seemed to have a lot more to it than slavery (I mean, Thomas Jefferson spoke against slavery but owned some himself). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.Logan Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 The Civil War was fought over the South exporting cotton to other countires (mainly Britain if I remember correctly) and trying to become self-dependent by building factories to process their own cotton. The North didn't like that and found another reason to go to war to stop the South from achieving that. Slavery. That fact doesn't make slavery any less wrong, but it does make the North look pretty stupid, because there were slave holders in the North. But really, when I see the flag, I see a divided country, a reminder of an ugly war, and most of all, death and callous disregard for the human rights of seemingly everyone involved. Just uglyness associated with that design. It's a shame. People who buy into the whole racsim thing and use the flag to display that are also pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kscriv Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 My house, my Dad flies it occasionally for some unknown reason. Keep in mind we're Canadian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.Logan Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Keep in mind we're Canadian Explains everything Scriv. No more explanation needed. I'm still gonna buy Alberta. And you can have Red Moose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kscriv Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Keep in mind we're Canadian Explains everything Scriv. No more explanation needed. I'm still gonna buy Alberta. And you can have Red Moose. Please Shut Up with that buying Alberta crap. It's getting annoying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blane Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Another funny thing about the Civil War? Emancipation Proclaimation... Unconstitutional. I know so very little about history (which is sad, 'cause I actually enjoy the subject), so please explain this. You have Lincoln the UNION president declaring that the Confederate people's slaves are free. I think you're smart enough to find the rest of the flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted December 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Another funny thing about the Civil War? Emancipation Proclaimation... Unconstitutional. I know so very little about history (which is sad, 'cause I actually enjoy the subject), so please explain this. You have Lincoln the UNION president declaring that the Confederate people's slaves are free. I think you're smart enough to find the rest of the flaws. That never dawned on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Heat Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Well, except for the whole being owned by your common man, and having no human rights. A well treated slave is still a slave. Most slaves were treated better than the low class workers in the cities. So while slavery was bad, the North had no right to criticize. (I mean, Thomas Jefferson spoke against slavery but owned some himself). Jefferson couldn't legally free his slaves. The Civil War was fought over the South exporting cotton to other countires (mainly Britain if I remember correctly) and trying to become self-dependent by building factories to process their own cotton. The North didn't like that and found another reason to go to war to stop the South from achieving that. Slavery. That fact doesn't make slavery any less wrong, but it does make the North look pretty stupid, because there were slave holders in the North. Lincoln didn't find another reason. He was a die hard unionist. He waged war over the union being divided. The slavery angle was added in latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted December 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Well, except for the whole being owned by your common man, and having no human rights. A well treated slave is still a slave. Most slaves were treated better than the low class workers in the cities. So while slavery was bad, the North had no right to criticize. I hate when people say, "Well, the salves were treated with compassion." No matter how nicely their masters treated them, the slaves were still just that. Slaves! They were pieces of property for the owners to do with as they saw fit. You, nor anyone else, can tell me they would personally rather be a well-treated slave without freedoms than a low class worker with freedoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Heat Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I'm not saying that at all, I'm just saying The North telling the South to stop slavery is akin to a rapist rallying for Women's rights. They don't have the moral higher ground. They are just as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted December 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Are you saying they're just as bad because of how they treated their lower class workers or because some of them owned slaves as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheap Heat Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 No, they seriously mistreated their workers, just as bad as europe during the industrial revolution. Sure they weren't slaves, but they were treated like them and were paid next to nothing. If the north wanted to criticize other's of the way they treated their fellow humans, they should make sure they were leaps and bounds better than the other side, not almost the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted December 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I see where you're coming from; but treated poorly or not, they were still free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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