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Agreed with Dan. Dragonball Evolution was a "let's keep the rights to this franchise" movie. This wasn't.

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Okay, that's not quite what I meant. I didn't mean to suggest that it was only made to keep the rights (though I suppose I did technically say that), but more that it was the primary impetus for making the movie. Instead of "we have a great idea and we can/should make a great movie out of this," it's "we need to make an FF movie by X date; let's get something together by then." Not that I think they went out to make a bad movie or entirely didn't care, it's just that I don't believe that's a good place to start, creatively speaking.

You've pretty much described why every superhero movie ever gets made.

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Yeah, because Ant-Man was a movie that desperately needed to happen, lest that lucrative property be lost.

Look at X-Men Origins: Wolverine. There was loose talk of a Wolverine movie, but Fox needed a proper X-Men movie to retain the rights, so they hurriedly tossed a bunch of mutants and subplots into a loose Wolverine narrative, slapped "X-Men Origins" onto the tittle, and put together something that even the filmmakers weren't proud of afterward. To the point of deliberately using Days of Future Past to wipe it all out.

Yes, every movie is there to make money. But they aren't all made equal.

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Yeah, because Ant-Man was a movie that desperately needed to happen, lest that lucrative property be lost.

Which isn't at all what I said. I was responding to the revelatory statement you just made that these movies perhaps aren't simply created for the sake of artistic integrity or because there's a good creative reason.

And save the snark. It's not my fault you backtrack every single time someone calls you on some silly sweeping statement you make.

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You accusing me of being snarky is pretty funny.

But sorry if I was snarkier than I needed to be. I think everything that's needed to be said has been said. I'm good.

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I've earned the right to be as snarky as I'll fucking please, thank you very much.

Learn to admit fault and concede a point once in a while and people won't cringe as much when engaging you.

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I went in really wanting to enjoy it. The gleeful lynching the internet has given this thing is truly disgusting, and I got annoyed with it well before the film came out.

It's not a great movie. It's an average sci-fi flick, but as an F4 movie there are bones of a decent one in there. Key elements just don't happen, like Ben interacting with any of the four aside from Reed. He literally has no lines with Sue.

Doom's motivations were lazy and bad.

My biggest irritation is that it quickly turns into "Government the Movie". The whole damn thing takes place at Area 57. There's a main government character who I'm damn skippy we aren't privy to know exactly what his job is, just that he's super important. I hated that. If I wanted to watch a government movie, I'd watch Tinker Tailor Soldier or whatever. Watching spooks spy over super powered people is not entertaining in the slightest.

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I don't know how to quit when I'm ahead and apparently think it's wise to insult moderators.

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Next time listen when this "jackass" gives you advice or you can enjoy a time out. And find some self-awareness. Seriously. You've been doing this shit for years.

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Agreed with Dan. Dragonball Evolution was a "let's keep the rights to this franchise" movie. This wasn't.

Which worked out for them. They've made found money off of Battle of Gods and Fukkatsu No F without having to lift a finger or spend a dime.

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Or the 90s animated series. I'll probably see it at the drive-in with the roomies so we can MiST it. It doesn't look good but it has to be better than Catwoman.

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I haven't seen Catwoman, therefore, I will not judge it. However, I have seen The Spirit, so I'll say it's probably better than that.

Then again, I bet even Murder-Set-Pieces is better than The Spirit.

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Or the 90s animated series.

...I like the 90s animated series...

I mean, just the much better, shorter second season.

...I'm lying, I totally love it all. Even Ben and Johnny's musical numbers.

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I don't care what anyone says, I love all the catchy 90s Marvel cartoon theme songs! 'Cept maybe Hulk, that wasn't very memorable

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I was watching Smeghead's VLOG about this movie and he mentioned that was the origin of the phrase in the movie. When he revealed that, I sat in my chair slack-jawed.

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I was watching Smeghead's VLOG about this movie and he mentioned that was the origin of the phrase in the movie. When he revealed that, I sat in my chair slack-jawed.

I was in the cinema when Ben's brother said it. I barely managed to keep it down to normal speaking tones but I very nearly yelled "WHAT. THE. FUCK!?!?".

Thank god there were only 5 other people in there with me...

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I honestly didn't mind that. Thew ay it was delivered I think saved it for me, an off-handed comment. I actually cringed when he said it at the end to Doom tho. Felt hella forced.

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Researching something completely different in relation to Mark Millar, I note that he's credited as a 'Creative Consultant'. So that raised a wry smile!

Still planning on watching this on the 25th, so otherwise I'm not reading any of this thread.

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They don't need to make another one for years to keep the rights. We'll know when that limit is almost up when they put one into production.

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