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Which interpretation of Selina Kyle do y'all prefer: the jet-setter by day and thief by night, or the street hooker who steals from the rich?

I haven't been following them all that closely, but I think Dick Grayson is better off and is being more of his own man as Nightwing than he is as the next Batman. I did give the idea of him as Batman a try by reading Battle for the Cowl, but that did nothing for me and my distaste for Grant Morrison's stuff prevents me from continuing to read them, even now that Bruce is back.

Copy, paste; copy, paste As for someone else taking up the cape and cowl following the third film, the only person who I accept as Batman apart from Bruce is Terry McGinnis. This applies to the comics too. I could see Bruce being out of commission for a lot of The Dark Knight Rises due to confrontation with Bane or even temporarily quitting like Peter in Spider-Man 2, but to end the film with a new person as Batman would be utterly lame. Also, as the last film showed, people can easily be corrupted in their pursuit of justice, but Bruce Wayne/Batman can't, which is part of why he should continue to do what he does. As for Batman films after this one, I think Warner Brothers should give the character a rest and focus on other DC characters (if Green Lantern is successful enough to allow them to do so). A Robin/Nightwing trilogy would be nice.

I agree. How compelling would a superhero stepping down and having someone else do his job be for the end of a franchise?

Happy birthday sir!

Did Aqualad have webbed hands in the earlier episodes? This was the first time I noticed them

I agree; great episode. My enjoyment of it was enhanced by the fact that I've been watching Gargoyles for the first time recently and the episode's guest stars (Ed Asner, Thom Adcox, and Jeff Bennett) were all on that show. I loved the opening scene with Kent Nelson going to the fortuneteller. Also liked the characterization of Artemis in this one and the fact that the show is brave enough to have their characters actually pass on rather than be resurrected by the end of the episode. O, and to Suavestar: Almost as annoying as "Hello, Megan!" is Robin breaking down words (e.g. "whelmed"). Glad he wasn't in this episode.

As atrocious as All-Star Superman? Very funny. No, seriously: The acting all around sucks and a lot of them are aping the DCAU voice cast (especially the one playing Lex Luthor). I did hope it would eventually get better but after thirty episodes I quit.

Seriously, dude, you aren't missing much. I can't speak for the Wonder Woman and Batman shows, but the Superman one is atrocious.

You said, though, you thought he could portray him without extensive CGI, hence why I suggested a suit that would make him bigger. Either would work, though.

Michael Ironside has the voice and even to some extent the face to play Darkseid in a live-action Superman film, but is only 5'10" and probably couldn't play the character unless he had a suit that made him taller and bulkier, not unlike the kind Robbie Coltrane (who's about the same height) wears in the Harry Potter films to become the 8'6" Hagrid. Darkseid shouldn't be that big, but should definitely be as tall as or taller than Superman.

Knowing Greg Weisman's gift for executing swerves and keeping mysteries going (demonstrated in both Gargoyles and The Spectacular Spiderman), the traitor is almost certainly not Artemis.

...Wut. Yes. I've ranted about the book or more specifically Frank Quitely's artwork in it recently in the DC Animated Movies thread and am too tired to repeat it here. It's not a terrible book, just an extremely overrated one.

Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Batman: Year One Batman: The Killing Joke Batman: The Long Halloween Superman Brainiac Superman and the Legion of Superheroes Superman: Red Son (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) All-Star Superman (not so recommended, unless you're big fan of the Silver Age or like Frank Quitely's artwork, in which case you need glasses; will be selling mine soon on Amazon) Lex Luthor: Man of Steel Superman/Batman: Public Enemies Superman/Batman: Supergirl Green Lantern: The Sinestro Corps War Teen Titans, Vol. 1-4 by Geoff Johns The Insiders (Teen Titans/The Outsiders) JLA: Earth 2 JLA: Tower of Babel DC: The New Frontier Justice Vol. 1-3, by Alex Ross 52 Vol. 1-3

WOW...just WOW Well done gentlemen...more gushing to come from me in Episode 100

Since Knightwing did his rankings of the DC Showcase shorts, here are mine as well as my rankings for the DC Universe Original Animated movies rankings. DC Showcase 1. Jonah Hex 10/10 2. Captain Marvel 8/10 3. The Spectre 7/10 4. Green Arrow 6/10 DC Universe Original Animated Movies 1. Wonder Woman 10/10 2. Batman: Under the Red Hood 10/10 3. Justice League: New Frontier 8/10 4. Batman: Gotham Knight 7/10 5. Green Lantern: First Flight 6/10 6. Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths 5/10 7. All-Star Superman 4/10 8. Superman/Batman: Public Enemies 4/10 9. Superman/Batman: Apocalypse 4/10 10. Superman Doomsday 2/10

Yeah that's quite a good short/episode. There's something that prevents me from liking the Spectre short though that I need resolved by someone who knows more about the character: Is he the kind of hero who would bypass a police investigation and kill suspects in doing so? 'Cause that's pretty fucking douchey, if you ask me. He's not as much a hero, as he is God's vengeance and fury, if I remember correctly. So, he wouldn't really care about human justice, just passing God's wrath. Alright. Then I dislike the Spectre but won't hold that aspect of his personality against the short, which was well animated and had a nice 70s flavor to it.

Yeah that's quite a good short/episode. There's something that prevents me from liking the Spectre short though that I need resolved by someone who knows more about the character: Is he the kind of hero who would bypass a police investigation and kill suspects in doing so? 'Cause that's pretty fucking douchey, if you ask me.

was one of the light-villains, I wouldn't be surprised. Speaking of which, who do y'all think are among the light-villains apart from T.O. Morrow? I happen to think Luthor and the Brain are somewhere among their ranks.

I miss Spectacular Spider-Man. Also, according to ToyFair pics of figures coming out from Young Justice, a villain who could be showing up is: I actually thought he'd be in the last episode, since he's the leader of the League of Shadows. Guess not in this continuity, though.

I disagree. Another thing I have against his art is that he over-renders his characters but all his settings are under-rendered and empty-looking. And that, unfortunately, did carry over into the animation style of the film.

Which All-Star Superman was. They had different objectives though, which is where your dislike comes from I think. That and Quitely's artwork and the flow the story. Yes.

Good advice. That's another reason I wasn't jazzing on it. Silver Age stuff is best in small doses for me, unless written as smartly as The New Frontier.

I'm not a Grant Morrison fan at all, so take what I said as you will, but this film only increased my distaste for his work. Admittedly, of his stuff I've only read JLA: Earth-Three and All-Star Superman, but reading the later--his supposed magnum opus-- makes me not want to give him anymore of my fucking money. Also, I will say, the main thing that sold me on All Star was Frank Quitely first, Morrison second. The artwork is just stunning to me. And he had nothing to do with the adaptation, if you want to blame someone, blame the writer, Dwayne McDuffie. O Samson was fun and I liked that he was voiced by John DiMaggio with his Aquaman voice, but if he was supposed to be comic relief, then either he wasn't funny enough or the story he was contrasting with wasn't serious enough. Odd that you say you liked All-Star Superman for the art first and the writing second, because that's exactly why I disliked it. I don't like Quitely's art at all, but it was slightly more tolerable when adapted to screen since the characters didn't have fifty needless lines on their faces. Also, maybe Superman did need to look at her chest in order to see her heart, but he should at least have been animated in such a way that it didn't look like he was just looking at her tits.