Molly Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Wait, so they completely undermined Sinestro? Fucking lame. No, they did the sensible thing in the story. Making Sinestro the beacon of light and life makes absolutely no sense, and reeks of blatant fanboyism. They did the right thing by showing that Sinestro's ego is his downfall. I'll entirely disagree. Having Hal "Threesome with Huntress and Zarda" Jordan be the savior is totally in line with DC's current trend of GRIMDARK Silver Age Fanboyism. Sinestro saving the day is intelligent, original storytelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I'll entirely disagree. Having Hal "Threesome with Huntress and Zarda" Jordan be the savior is totally in line with DC's current trend of GRIMDARK Silver Age Fanboyism. Sinestro saving the day is intelligent, original storytelling. Wait, so Hal's not allowed to be a hero anymore? In a Green Lantern-centric event? And Sinestro being the embodiment of all goodness makes sense? I'll admit that having Sinestro save the universe is an awesome idea, but not in this situation. Not by merging with the literal life and goodness of the universe. Sinestro is a badass villain/antihero, not a Christ figure. Hell, Hal didn't even become the savior either; he shared the power with the other heroes. He didn't even do his "I AM HAL JORDAN AND I WILL BEAT YOUR FACE IN" routine; he just helped Black Hand come back to life, and everything else ran by itself. Honestly, I think the threesome line should just be ignored from now on. Geoff Johns didn't even write that, and at least one DC writer (Gail Simone) has cried foul on it. I mean, do we really think that Cry For Justice is the best example of the DCU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I haven't been reading Blackest Night, so I'm curious: at what point did it stop being a story and became fan fiction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I haven't been reading Blackest Night, so I'm curious: at what point did it stop being a story and became fan fiction? Pretty much when the substitute lanterns showed up. (Issue 6? 7? something like that) Blackest Night is pretty much a giant geek-out thrillride. That being said, it actually makes sense when read in context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 When did they ever say that white represented "goodness"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 When did they ever say that white represented "goodness"? Okay, granted, that's a slight bit of extrapolation. Technically, yeah, the white light includes all seven colors, but it also seems to combine into a universal "peace." I mean, if Nekron is (basically) the ultimate evil, then the white light would be ultimate good.(ish) Also, there's the fact that Dove, who was essentially a walking talking White Lantern Battery way before the Trespasser ever showed up, achieved her power through ultimate peace and love of life. That's basically about as "good" as it gets. What I was getting at is that Sinestro, who seems to thrive on putting others under his heel, doesn't make sense as a White Lantern. And, to be fair, in BN #8, Ganthet told Hal that the white light would reject him as well (as it eventually did). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dstroketheterminator Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 In Asia, white is associated with mourning or funerals. It would have been cool that since the Black Lanterns are just the animated corpses of the dead, the white lanterns were their souls, for lack of a better term, angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Unless you have a soft spot for Stalin wanting Sinestro to be the hero of this piece makes little sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 I think that Sinestro being the hero would have made sense in the relationship that life should have with death. From Death's (better term for it would be emptiness) point of view, all life is the invader. Life is disrupting the perfect peace of nothingness. It's like Buddhist philosophy, honestly. Life is suffering. The ultimate goal is to escape the circle of samsara, the pain of reincarnation and experience nirvana. Nirvana literally means nothingness. Sinestro represents life far, far more than Hal Jordan. Jordan may be your hero, but Sinestro is a better example of what the BLs would view life as. A brash, arrogant, deadly invader. Johns had a chance to put some real shades of gray into the piece by saying that, yes, we are the invaders, yes we have disturbed the very order of the universe by our mere existence. Instead, Johns told another story about how great the heroes of old are. Rather than challenging the readers, he gave us the same old good and evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 I think that Sinestro being the hero would have made sense in the relationship that life should have with death. From Death's (better term for it would be emptiness) point of view, all life is the invader. Life is disrupting the perfect peace of nothingness. It's like Buddhist philosophy, honestly. Life is suffering. The ultimate goal is to escape the circle of samsara, the pain of reincarnation and experience nirvana. Nirvana literally means nothingness. Sinestro represents life far, far more than Hal Jordan. Jordan may be your hero, but Sinestro is a better example of what the BLs would view life as. A brash, arrogant, deadly invader. Johns had a chance to put some real shades of gray into the piece by saying that, yes, we are the invaders, yes we have disturbed the very order of the universe by our mere existence. Instead, Johns told another story about how great the heroes of old are. Rather than challenging the readers, he gave us the same old good and evil. See, that's the way a villain would view the story. Like you said, that's how the Black Lanterns view it all. (Or maybe the way the Marvel Universe would do it http://forums.earth-2.net/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png' alt=':P'>) But this is a tale in the DC Universe. I like my distinctions between good and evil; they're what make it fun. I don't want my superheroes to be morally gray; I want them to be good. For the morally gray stuff, I go somewhere else, not the DCU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 I think that Sinestro being the hero would have made sense in the relationship that life should have with death. From Death's (better term for it would be emptiness) point of view, all life is the invader. Life is disrupting the perfect peace of nothingness. It's like Buddhist philosophy, honestly. Life is suffering. The ultimate goal is to escape the circle of samsara, the pain of reincarnation and experience nirvana. Nirvana literally means nothingness. Sinestro represents life far, far more than Hal Jordan. Jordan may be your hero, but Sinestro is a better example of what the BLs would view life as. A brash, arrogant, deadly invader. Johns had a chance to put some real shades of gray into the piece by saying that, yes, we are the invaders, yes we have disturbed the very order of the universe by our mere existence. Instead, Johns told another story about how great the heroes of old are. Rather than challenging the readers, he gave us the same old good and evil. See, that's the way a villain would view the story. Like you said, that's how the Black Lanterns view it all. (Or maybe the way the Marvel Universe would do it http://forums.earth-2.net/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png' alt=':P'> ) But this is a tale in the DC Universe. I like my distinctions between good and evil; they're what make it fun. I don't want my superheroes to be morally gray; I want them to be good. For the morally gray stuff, I go somewhere else, not the DCU. If they're going to publish grim and dark crap like Cry for Justice, I see no reason why this story couldn't have been given a little complexity. EDIT: And the life Entity's name is Trespasser, for crying out loud! It's like they wanted both the invader angle and the immutable goodness of life, which just... doesn't work. DOUBLE EDIT: And having Sinestro save the day doesn't make the heroes less good, at all. We still have a right to exsist, that's where Nekron's logic falls down. Sinestro would have just given us a finale that was challenging and deep, not White Lantern Fan Fiction and Silver Age Nostalgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 If they're going to publish grim and dark crap like Cry for Justice, I see no reason why this story couldn't have been given a little complexity. EDIT: And the life Entity's name is Trespasser, for crying out loud! It's like they wanted both the invader angle and the immutable goodness of life, which just... doesn't work. DOUBLE EDIT: And having Sinestro save the day doesn't make the heroes less good, at all. We still have a right to exsist, that's where Nekron's logic falls down. Sinestro would have just given us a finale that was challenging and deep, not White Lantern Fan Fiction and Silver Age Nostalgia. Just because Cry For Justice was published doesn't make it good. Personally, I rather dislike it. I'm not actually sure if the entity is actually called Trespasser, or if that's the name Nekron gave it. I think it's the latter. I disagree about the Sinestro angle, but I think that's something we're just going to disagree on. And that's cool by me. Debate-ending buddy handshake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Aye, I don't think you're all-out wrong, I just disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuaveStar Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Can we just pretend Cry For Justice never happened. DC will probably pretend it never happened in a few years anyway. Back on topic, I'm going to make a stop to the comic shop and flip through this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuaveStar Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Cover for brightest day #0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Cover is pretty generic, but fuck am I glad J'onn and Arthur are back. Mostly J'onn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Cover is pretty generic, but fuck am I glad J'onn and Arthur are back. Mostly J'onn. Ditto. I really like his new costume. (it has PANTS!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuaveStar Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Stole this from elsewhere, though it is an interesting question. Ethan Van Sciver was originally supposed to be the artist of Blackest Night, before having to leave due to Flash: Rebirth being out at the same time. Do you think the book would be the same if Van Sciver had done Blackest Night instead of Ivan Reis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 No way. Ethan Van Sciver is good at covers and pin-ups. But that's it. His storytelling is too stiff to properly convey emotion, and this miniseries needed an artist who could handle that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Yeah, I merely tolerated Sciver's work on GL: Rebirth. I love Reis's work on Blackest Night, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 I've never understood the appeal of Van Sciver's work. Everybody looks pissed and the lines are so sharp, it's like refined 90s Image artwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 I've never understood the appeal of Van Sciver's work. Everybody looks pissed and the lines are so sharp, it's like refined 90s Image artwork. Yeah. Characters drawn by Sciver look like colossal douchebags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Oh, by the way. The Anti-Monitor is back and he's going to fuck some shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 So, this was pointed out on Twitter, by the gimmick Music Meister account of all things. But: 4 of the 12 resurrections have direction connections to hawks, of all things. Hawk, Hawkman, Hawkgirl and Osiris. Osiris being a hawk-god in Egypt's myths. Does it mean something? I highly doubt it, but it could. Edit: And a quick wiki search shows me that this is wrong: Osiris was a ram. Horus was the hawk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 That just reminded me. They resurrected Hank Hall Hawk, but not the female one. So now the old Hawk is going to team up with the new Dove? Sounds pretty cool to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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