Donomark Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 "I can't ever take the TARDIS back, the timelines, they're too scrambled." is the line. Now, since the graveyard is in the present day of New York, I figured he just ran across the Island since that's what the Doctor does instead of doing the lazy thing and taking the TARDIS to Central Park. It's possible he was lying in that scene because...well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 They already established that 1938 (not "New York, 1938," but just "1938") was near-impossible to land in, then there was a time paradox explosion on top of that. The ramifications of it are vague, but what I inferred is that the time the Williamses returned to was permanently unreachable. That wouldn't mean that the Doctor couldn't go and pick them up a couple decades later or something, when they're middle-aged, but there's a dozen different speculative responses for that. Maybe the fact that the Williamses were part of the same timespace event three times over means that they literally can't be reached by TARDIS. Maybe the entire area of New York over a larger period of time (but not enough to reach the present) is now unreachable. Maybe the Doctor (who has described himself as "a big complicated timespace event") can no longer directly interact with the Williamses because of all their looping timespace craziness focused on the exact same point in timespace. So, yeah, wibbly wobbly. But it can make sense if you let it. Though that's a great explanation for it, I shouldn't have to "let it" make sense. Steven Moffat, through The Doctor, needed to clearly explain what makes one thing fixed and another not. Or, really, why The Doctor can't visit the Ponds, say, in 1940. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I agree with Mike. Also 1. The Angel Statue of Liberty was ridiculous. 2. It bugged me that it was Williams on the tombstone and not Pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venneh Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Watching this right now. Oh GOD, what is it this season with the terrible puns? Good to see River again, and like the new variant of the Angels that are introduced. Also, RORYYYYYYYYYYY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 For me, Chris, that indicated that Amy finally realized what a brave, wonderful man Rory was and, thus, embraced his name. That, or they were stuck in 1938, when it was very uncommon for a married couple to have different last names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venneh Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Also, the point of the statue of liberty angel was....? Someone seriously needs to photoshop the Angel from the last 10 minutes with a big ol' middle finger on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc20willsave Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bim5paqNAac But seriously, fuck if I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damndirtyape Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 They already established that 1938 (not "New York, 1938," but just "1938") was near-impossible to land in, then there was a time paradox explosion on top of that. The ramifications of it are vague, but what I inferred is that the time the Williamses returned to was permanently unreachable. That wouldn't mean that the Doctor couldn't go and pick them up a couple decades later or something, when they're middle-aged, but there's a dozen different speculative responses for that. Maybe the fact that the Williamses were part of the same timespace event three times over means that they literally can't be reached by TARDIS. Maybe the entire area of New York over a larger period of time (but not enough to reach the present) is now unreachable. Maybe the Doctor (who has described himself as "a big complicated timespace event") can no longer directly interact with the Williamses because of all their looping timespace craziness focused on the exact same point in timespace. So, yeah, wibbly wobbly. But it can make sense if you let it. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 For me, Chris, that indicated that Amy finally realized what a brave, wonderful man Rory was and, thus, embraced his name. That, or they were stuck in 1938, when it was very uncommon for a married couple to have different last names. The latter came to mind when I watched it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venneh Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Okay. I do have some issues with this episode, but overall, this was a really good note for the Ponds to leave on. And honestly, I feel like this is the first really good episode we've had all season, or at the least, the one where the most effort went towards. Also, random side note: remember all the way back in the Beast Below where they showed the numbers for her age? Does that work out now with them having been jumped back in time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightWing Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Steven Moffat, through The Doctor, needed to clearly explain what makes one thing fixed and another not. Or, really, why The Doctor can't visit the Ponds, say, in 1940. True. Moffat has a tendency in Eleven's era to leave the super-important science plot devices way too vague; it's one of the things I've enjoyed the least about Series 5 and 6. For me, Chris, that indicated that Amy finally realized what a brave, wonderful man Rory was and, thus, embraced his name. That, or they were stuck in 1938, when it was very uncommon for a married couple to have different last names. Yeah, the latter seemed sensible to me. However, I also really liked it in terms of Amy finally, once and for all, choosing Rory over anything and everything else, just as he's done for her over and over again. It always bugged the hell out of me that Rory was basically treated like Amy's bitch for so long. In one of the Confidentials for Series 5, they explain that Rory is a nurse in Series 5 specifically because he's trying to be a Doctor for Amy, but isn't good enough for that yet. And then after he marries Amy, he's constantly referred to as a "Pond," when that's neither traditional nor factual. Hell, the Doctor even calls Brian a Pond without thinking, proving that for the Doctor, Amy is the important one and the Williamses are second at best. So, yes, for Amy to finally reverse that was really nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Personally, I thought a big fuck off Statue of Liberty Weeping Angel was pretty damn scary. In terms of scale, if nothing else. And really, why was Rory's actual given name on his gravestone?!? IT'S HIS NAME!! When is it established he actually changed it to that of Amy? Definitely agree that Brian should be featured at some point for the continuity, especially given what he said in Power of Three. The Christmas Special would tie it up immediately (or even a mini-sode, a la Pond Life), but I wouldn't be annoyed if it was saved until later down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donomark Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I'm still in shock over the episode. I knew it was coming, and I had an idea on how it would turn out halfway through. The experience though might be the most heartwrenching moment I've experience while watching Doctor Who. It probably has plotholes, but instances like this don't see me caring about 'em. Basically, this is Moffat and the fans by the end of last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothian Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Almost fitting revenge when you consider Bart drove Laura Powers off of Twitter, the spiky-haired bastard.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badhead Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 As long as Moffat does not pull an RTD, and bring them back every year. Each time telling us they can never come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davedevil Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Finally caught it. THAT FUCKING SUCKERPUNCH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobob_100 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Is it bad that I'm okay with waiting till December? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 I feel the same way. In fact, the other day I told Shana I was glad it's gone 'til then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koete Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 I agree; I hope the new companion reinvigorates the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFetch Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I'm glad it's over so we can finally get some new Sherlock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Here's a NYCC-exclusive piece by Amy Mebberson: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc20willsave Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I WANT THAT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Evil Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Coda to The Angels Take Manhattan I don't understand why they didn't shoot this scene but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missy Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Wow! That was moving! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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